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A logical/mathematical = requirement (necessity) is also called a proof. =20 e =20 From: bitcoin-dev On = Behalf Of LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 7:06 PM To: M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev ; = Daniel Edgecumbe Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK =20 "Today I spent approximately $5 at a chip shop in North London in cash. = Besides the fact that I have voluntarily chosen to share this = information, it is absolutely no concern of yourself or any other party = that this transaction has occured." =20 Good Afternoon, =20 Requiring little argument I concur, privacy allows that you do not have = snoops and researchers following you around looking in your purse as you = transact. For the general public, how much you carry in your purse and = where you get it from is none of their business. However, your employer = is required to report to the government a record of pay, or at least = maintain that record, and the store where you made a purchase similarly = to keep records so that taxes can be paid. From their perspective, you = do not need to know how much they keep in their drawer. Bitcoin directly = allows your purse to be private and for the transaction ledger to take = the scrutiny anyone should be able to apply to prove the ledger is = honest. Maintaining an argument that consensus requires the ledger to be = honest does not prove that it is honest. =20 KING JAMES HRMH Great British Empire =20 Regards, The Australian LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire MR. Damian A. James Williamson Wills =20 et al. =20 =20 Willtech www.willtech.com.au =20 www.go-overt.com =20 and other projects =20 earn.com/willtech linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson =20 =20 m. 0487135719 f. +61261470192 =20 =20 This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this = email if misdelivered. _____ =20 From: bitcoin-dev on = behalf of Daniel Edgecumbe via bitcoin-dev = > Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:16 PM To: M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK=20 =20 Any "transparency" in the blockchain, beyond that required for a = participant to determine valid ownership, can only reasonably be thought = of as a bug. Today I spent approximately $5 at a chip shop in North London in cash. = Besides the fact that I have voluntarily chosen to share this = information, it is absolutely no concern of yourself or any other party = that this transaction has occured. Bitcoin is digital cash. Daniel Edgecumbe | esotericnonsense email@esotericnonsense.com | = https://esotericnonsense.com On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, at 22:37, Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev wrote: > To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces = =E2=80=9Ctransparency=E2=80=9D=20 > (increases privacy) on the chain (=E2=80=9Cmaintaining = consensus=E2=80=9D is obviously=20 > an argument against any protocol change, so that=E2=80=99s a red = herring)?=20 >=20 > And is it your theory that only an =E2=80=9Chonest=E2=80=9D (statute = abiding) person=20 > should have privacy, and not against the state, and/or that mixers are = > sufficient privacy? >=20 > Personally, I=E2=80=99m not moved by such an argument. What do you = think is the=20 > value proposition of Bitcoin? >=20 > e >=20 > > On Mar 1, 2021, at 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev > wrote: > >=20 > > =EF=BB=BF=20 > > Good Afternoon, > >=20 > > I am going to take tough terms with much of your reply and do = appreciate a courteous practice. Having previously made public = disclosure of my affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to = disclose my affiliation through the link in my email signature block. > >=20 > > My concern is not increased privacy it is maintaining consensus = values and the transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions = are published in an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of = information by any obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability = of a privacy suitable for cash should a Bitcoin user desire and = especially without disturbing the existing consensus. > >=20 > > The use of a Bitcoin Mixer is to enable standard equivalent privacy. = As you may experience yourself, you do not allow people to follow you = around looking in your purse, suppose you are dealing entirely with = cash, and to see where and how much you fill it up, and where you spend. = Nonetheless, for an honest person, their wallet is available for = government audit as are their financial affairs. This is consistent with = the existing operation of consensus. > >=20 > > My full email signature block is a disclosure where I have some = affiliation with the referenced website being that it carries at least = some information that I have provided or that in some way I am = associated perhaps only making use of their services. For example, I = hardly make a profit from LinkedIn just my information is there. Also, I = have made previous public disclosure of the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer = 2.0 is a partner mixer run by Jambler.io wherein I receive a service = referral fee and am not in receipt of any part of the process = transaction. The operation block diagram provided by Jambler.io is = provided here and attached. > > > >=20 > > [ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation of Jambler.io partner mixer > > = https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fschem= e-1.png = &t=3D622&c=3DgTi7r1cfh-yynw > > from this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5267588 > >=20 > >=20 > > The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the basis of = my referral website is also publicly published, > > https://github.com/jambler-io/bitcoin-mixer > >=20 > > The disclosure for the partner program is available from Jambler.io = however and is made prominently on my referral website. While it may = seem lucrative at first I insist all partner profits are reportable on = your personal income. > > https://jambler.io/become-partner.php > >=20 > > I am certainly better than confident that you appreciate the = difference between an open and transparent blockchain and the ability of = the user to not reveal details of the content of their wallet publicly. > >=20 > > If further clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token = and mix some Bitcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of = reference. > >=20 > > KING JAMES HRMH > > Great British Empire > >=20 > > Regards, > > The Australian > > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) > > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > > MR. Damian A. James Williamson > > Wills > >=20 > > et al. > >=20 > > =20 > > Willtech > > www.willtech.com.au =20 > > www.go-overt.com =20 > > and other projects > > =20 > > earn.com/willtech > > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson > >=20 > >=20 > > m. 0487135719 > > f. +61261470192 > >=20 > >=20 > > This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard = this email if misdelivered. > > *From:* Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces > > > *Sent:* Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM > > *To:* LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH >; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = > > > *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK=20 > > =20 > > Hello LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH > >=20 > > I find a striking dichotomy between your concern of increased = privacy in bitcoin and your link to a bitcoin mixer in your signature = www.go-overt.com =20 > >=20 > > At first your concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your = promotion of a bitcoin mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more = profit motivated? I can't tell since you failed to disclose your = relationship with the mixer. > >=20 > > Could you please clarify your association with the bitcoin mixer and = moving forward could you please always do proper disclosure any time = you're publically talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. It's only = fair to do so as to not mislead people in an attempt to manipulate at = worst and just a courteous practice at best. > >=20 > > Cheers > > Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces > > On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev > wrote:=20 > >> Good Evening,=20 > >>=20 > >> Thank-you for your advice @JeremyRubin = on the basis you advise, "Taproot = does not enable monero-like privacy features", I am prepred to withdraw = my NACK notably that the existing feeatures of Bitcoin MUST be = maintained, and whereby the UTXO of a transaction is identifiable, the = PayTo Address, and the amount all without any obfuscation.=20 > >>=20 > >> Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provides a result = of a subset of transactions although the operation of the channel is = observable to the parties.=20 > >>=20 > >> The reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of = Taproot published in a public media channel may have been speculation or = misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you = see that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through the = cracks. As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full = disclosure to this list it is not to be expected.=20 > >>=20 > >> KING JAMES HRMH=20 > >> Great British Empire=20 > >>=20 > >> Regards,=20 > >> The Australian=20 > >> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)=20 > >> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire=20 > >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson=20 > >> Wills=20 > >>=20 > >> et al.=20 > >>=20 > >> =20 > >> Willtech=20 > >> www.willtech.com.au =20 > >> www.go-overt.com =20 > >> and other projects=20 > >> =20 > >> earn.com/willtech=20 > >> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> m. 0487135719=20 > >> f. +61261470192=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard = this email if misdelivered.=20 > >> *From:* Jeremy > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM > >> *To:* LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH >; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = > > >> *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK=20 > >> =20 > >> I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like = privacy features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its = core, taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart = contracts less expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally = improve privacy dependent on user behavior (but not in the monero-like = way you mention). For example, it makes it possible for lightning = channels to look structurally similar to single key wallets, but it does = nothing inherently to obfuscate the transaction graph as in monero.=20 > >>=20 > >> Such "monero-like" transaction graph obfuscation may already exist = in Bitcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, lightning, = etc) with or without Taproot, so the point is further moot.=20 > >>=20 > >> Do you have a source on your reporting?=20 > >>=20 > >> You may wish to rescind your nack.=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> --=20 > >> @JeremyRubin = > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = > wrote:=20 > >>> Good Afternoon,=20 > >>>=20 > >>> It has been reported that Taproot will enable some Monero like = features including the ability to hide transactions.=20 > >>>=20 > >>> If that is the case I offer a full NACK and let me explain.=20 > >>>=20 > >>> A part of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full = transaction is published on the blockchain. If that were to change so = that transactions may be obfuscated from scrutiny then any government = would have unlimited impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is = the reason India has been reported to have banned cryptocurrencies = already.=20 > >>>=20 > >>> I am in support of the expanded use case of Bitcoin without = harming the established robust fairness and equal equity offered. The = core functionality of Bitcoin, its values, must remain unaltered.=20 > >>>=20 > >>> KING JAMES HRMH=20 > >>> Great British Empire=20 > >>>=20 > >>> Regards,=20 > >>> The Australian=20 > >>> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)=20 > >>> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire=20 > >>> MR. Damian A. James Williamson=20 > >>> Wills=20 > >>>=20 > >>> et al.=20 > >>>=20 > >>> =20 > >>> Willtech=20 > >>> www.willtech.com.au =20 > >>> www.go-overt.com =20 > >>> and other projects=20 > >>> =20 > >>> earn.com/willtech=20 > >>> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson=20 > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> m. 0487135719=20 > >>> f. +61261470192=20 > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> This email does not constitute a general advice. 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> consensus requires the ledger to = be honest does not prove that it is honest.

 

Actually, = that=E2=80=99s exactly what it does. A logical/mathematical requirement = (necessity) is also called a proof.

 

e

 

From: bitcoin-dev = <bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org> On Behalf Of = LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
Sent: = Tuesday, March 2, 2021 7:06 PM
To: M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev = <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Daniel Edgecumbe = <email@esotericnonsense.com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] = Taproot NACK

 

"Today I spent approximately $5 at a chip shop in = North London in cash. Besides the fact that I have voluntarily chosen to = share this information, it is absolutely no concern of yourself or any = other party that this transaction has occured."

=

 

=

Good = Afternoon,

 

=

Requiring little argument I = concur, privacy allows that you do not have snoops and researchers = following you around looking in your purse as you transact. For the = general public, how much you carry in your purse and where you get it = from is none of their business. However, your employer is required to = report to the government a record of pay, or at least maintain that = record, and the store where you made a purchase similarly to keep = records so that taxes can be paid. From their perspective, you do not = need to know how much they keep in their drawer. Bitcoin directly allows = your purse to be private and for the transaction ledger to take the = scrutiny anyone should be able to apply to prove the ledger is honest. = Maintaining an argument that consensus requires the ledger to be honest = does not prove that it is = honest.

 

=

KING JAMES = HRMH

Great British = Empire

 

=

Regards,

The = Australian

LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH = (& HMRH)

of Hougun Manor & Glencoe = & British Empire

MR. = Damian A. James Williamson

Wills

<= div>

 

=

et = al.

 

=

 

=

Willtech

and other = projects

 

=

earn.com/willtech

linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson

 

=

 

=

m. = 0487135719

f. = +61261470192

 

=

 

=

This = email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this email = if misdelivered.

=

From: bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev= -bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org> on behalf of Daniel Edgecumbe = via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:16 = PM
To: M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot = NACK

 

Any "transparency" in the blockchain, beyond = that required for a participant to determine valid ownership, can only = reasonably be thought of as a bug.

Today I spent approximately $5 = at a chip shop in North London in cash. Besides the fact that I have = voluntarily chosen to share this information, it is absolutely no = concern of yourself or any other party that this transaction has = occured.

Bitcoin is digital cash.

Daniel Edgecumbe | = esotericnonsense
email@esotericnonsense.com= | https://esotericnonsense.com
On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, at 22:37, Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev = wrote:
> To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces = =E2=80=9Ctransparency=E2=80=9D
> (increases privacy) on the chain = (=E2=80=9Cmaintaining consensus=E2=80=9D is obviously
> an = argument against any protocol change, so that=E2=80=99s a red herring)? =
>
> And is it your theory that only an = =E2=80=9Chonest=E2=80=9D (statute abiding) person
> should have = privacy, and not against the state, and/or that mixers are
> = sufficient privacy?
>
> Personally, I=E2=80=99m not moved = by such an argument. What do you think is the
> value proposition = of Bitcoin?
>
> e
>
> > On Mar 1, 2021, at = 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BF =
> > Good Afternoon,
> >
> > I am going to = take tough terms with much of your reply and do appreciate a courteous = practice. Having previously made public disclosure of my affiliation = with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to disclose my affiliation through = the link in my email signature block.
> >
> > My = concern is not increased privacy it is maintaining consensus values and = the transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions are = published in an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of = information by any obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability = of a privacy suitable for cash should a Bitcoin user desire and = especially without disturbing the existing consensus.
> > =
> > The use of a Bitcoin Mixer is to enable standard = equivalent privacy. As you may experience yourself, you do not allow = people to follow you around looking in your purse, suppose you are = dealing entirely with cash, and to see where and how much you fill it = up, and where you spend. Nonetheless, for an honest person, their wallet = is available for government audit as are their financial affairs. This = is consistent with the existing operation of consensus.
> > =
> > My full email signature block is a disclosure where I have = some affiliation with the referenced website being that it carries at = least some information that I have provided or that in some way I am = associated perhaps only making use of their services. For example, I = hardly make a profit from LinkedIn just my information is there. Also, I = have made previous public disclosure of the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer = 2.0 is a partner mixer run by Jambler.io wherein I receive a service = referral fee and am not in receipt of any part of the process = transaction. The operation block diagram provided by Jambler.io is = provided here and attached.
> > = <ip.bitcointalk.org.png>
> >
> > = [ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation of Jambler.io partner mixer
> = > https://ip.bitcointal= k.org/?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fscheme-1.png&t=3D622&a= mp;c=3DgTi7r1cfh-yynw
> > from this thread  https://bitcoi= ntalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5267588
> >
> > =
> > The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the = basis of my referral website is also publicly published,
> > https://github.com/j= ambler-io/bitcoin-mixer
> >
> > The disclosure = for the partner program is available from Jambler.io however and is made = prominently on my referral website. While it may seem lucrative at first = I insist all partner profits are reportable on your personal = income.
> > https://jambler.io/become-= partner.php
> >
> > I am certainly better than = confident that you appreciate the difference between an open and = transparent blockchain and the ability of the user to not reveal details = of the content of their wallet publicly.
> >
> > If = further clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token and mix = some Bitcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of = reference.
> >
> > KING JAMES HRMH
> > Great = British Empire
> >
> > Regards,
> > The = Australian
> > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& = HMRH)
> > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British = Empire
> > MR. Damian A. James Williamson
> > = Wills
> >
> > et al.
> >
> >  =
> > Willtech
> > www.willtech.com.au
> > = www.go-overt.com
> > = and other projects
> > 
> > = earn.com/willtech
> > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson
> = >
> >
> > m. 0487135719
> > f. = +61261470192
> >
> >
> > This email does = not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this email if = misdelivered.
> > *From:* Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces <arielluaces@gmail.com>
&g= t; > *Sent:* Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM
> > *To:* LORD = HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; = Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] = Taproot NACK
> > 
> > Hello LORD HIS EXCELLENCY = JAMES HRMH
> >
> > I find a striking dichotomy = between your concern of increased privacy in bitcoin and your link to a = bitcoin mixer in your signature www.go-overt.com
> > =
> > At first your concerns seemed genuine but after seeing = your promotion of a bitcoin mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more = profit motivated? I can't tell since you failed to disclose your = relationship with the mixer.
> >
> > Could you please = clarify your association with the bitcoin mixer and moving forward could = you please always do proper disclosure any time you're publically = talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. It's only fair to do so as to = not mislead people in an attempt to manipulate at worst and just a = courteous practice at best.
> >
> > Cheers
> = > Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces
> > On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 AM, LORD = HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >> Good Evening, =
> >>
> >> Thank-you for your = advice   @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin<= /a>>  on the basis you advise, "Taproot does not enable = monero-like privacy features", I am prepred to withdraw my NACK = notably that the existing feeatures of Bitcoin MUST be maintained, and = whereby the UTXO of a transaction is identifiable, the PayTo Address, = and the amount all without any obfuscation.
> >>
> = >> Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provides a = result of a subset of transactions although the operation of the channel = is observable to the parties.
> >>
> >> The = reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of Taproot = published in a public media channel may have been speculation or = misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you = see that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through the = cracks. As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full = disclosure to this list it is not to be expected.
> >> =
> >> KING JAMES HRMH
> >> Great British Empire =
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> The = Australian
> >> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) =
> >> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire =
> >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson
> >> Wills =
> >>
> >> et al.
> >>
> = >>  
> >> Willtech
> >> www.willtech.com.au
> = >> www.go-overt.com =
> >> and other projects
> >>   =
> >> earn.com/willtech
> >> = linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson
> >>
> >> =
> >> m. 0487135719
> >> f. +61261470192 =
> >>
> >>
> >> This email does = not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this email if = misdelivered.
> >> *From:* Jeremy <jlrubin@mit.edu>
> >> = *Sent:* Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM
> >> *To:* LORD HIS = EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; = Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] = Taproot NACK
> >>  
> >> I have good = news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy features any = moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, taproot is a = way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less expensive, = done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy dependent on = user behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention). For example, = it makes it possible for lightning channels to look structurally similar = to single key wallets, but it does nothing inherently to obfuscate the = transaction graph as in monero.
> >>
> >> Such = "monero-like" transaction graph obfuscation may already exist = in Bitcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, lightning, = etc) with or without Taproot, so the point is further moot.
> = >>
> >> Do you have a source on your reporting? =
> >>
> >> You may wish to rescind your nack. =
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> = >> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin<= /a>>  <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin<= /a>>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb = 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev < = bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >>> Good Afternoon, =
> >>>
> >>> It has been reported that = Taproot will enable some Monero like features including the ability to = hide transactions.
> >>>
> >>> If that = is the case I offer a full NACK and let me explain.
> = >>>
> >>> A part of the benefit of using = Bitcoin is its honesty. The full transaction is published on the = blockchain. If that were to change so that transactions may be = obfuscated from scrutiny then any government would have unlimited = impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is the reason India has = been reported to have banned cryptocurrencies already.
> = >>>
> >>> I am in support of the expanded use = case of Bitcoin without harming the established robust fairness and = equal equity offered. The core functionality of Bitcoin, its values, = must remain unaltered.
> >>>
> >>> KING = JAMES HRMH
> >>> Great British Empire
> = >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> The = Australian
> >>> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& = HMRH)
> >>> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British = Empire
> >>> MR. Damian A. James Williamson
> = >>> Wills
> >>>
> >>> et al. =
> >>>
> >>>  
> = >>> Willtech
> >>> www.willtech.com.au
> = >>> www.go-overt.com =
> >>> and other projects
> = >>>  
> >>> earn.com/willtech =
> >>> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson
> = >>>
> >>>
> >>> m. 0487135719 =
> >>> f. +61261470192
> >>>
> = >>>
> >>> This email does not constitute a = general advice. Please disregard this email if misdelivered.
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