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Harding" To: Jeremy Rubin , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: <0100017ee6472e02-037d355d-4c16-43b0-81d2-4a82b580ba99-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <87leymuiu8.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cxkds7eijvk2pk4s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.n0oE+7mPCT3oYHRtIkpRsZClsaxS9eYOjymWOETvbbI=:AmazonSES X-SES-Outgoing: 2022.02.11-54.240.48.33 Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Recursive covenant opposition, or the absence thereof, was Re: TXHASH + CHECKSIGFROMSTACKVERIFY in lieu of CTV and ANYPREVOUT X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 00:55:34 -0000 --cxkds7eijvk2pk4s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 08:34:30PM -0800, Jeremy Rubin via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Whether [recursive covenants] is an issue or not precluding this sort > of design or not, I defer to others. For reference, I believe the last time the merits of allowing recursive covenants was discussed at length on this list[1], not a single person replied to say that they were opposed to the idea. I would like to suggest that anyone opposed to recursive covenants speak for themselves (if any intelligent such people exist). Citing the risk of recursive covenants without presenting a credible argument for the source of that risk feels to me like (at best) stop energy[2] and (at worst) FUD. -Dave [1] https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-July/019203.html [2] http://radio-weblogs.com/0107584/stories/2002/05/05/stopEnergyByDaveWiner.html (thanks to AJ who told me about stop energy one time when I was producing it) --cxkds7eijvk2pk4s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEgxUkqkMp0LnoXjCr2dtBqWwiadMFAmIFs7sACgkQ2dtBqWwi adNJZBAAtE4UwYDNf5LpfMaqAVqmByVgDqVAepsZox90QnFNIWtYVBOvtpfGk4EL /Xf+g+9/3mDlobZD4GDRGuhgcDAfGsA8bvl1Sm9nkCPnonQCLcxZDSDIyEizg9Xp yq6mqQg9BLAEQeIvvKNrWk/V7dySf3LJnheYwm4Pm4G0OnkU2gbYcrT3j3egEMyB YgpQg8bYdg6s7OkKOW6wTUkltn+CXFBaVuO7S0+na6AfCXUAT4DfMwSp0ndIISYb S4MHMNtu6KBDpo40gNgiPLTHHZNwKpdw4WsD+R1LrNDO98Fj6WUuSurfDy1aks6y uKXqmWbYf9NXmcZjufsNknYTdTZVaqJDSPbWMnud4Jv0euBq5SJBAVT2ovA90+ks EKGHifub0BHT3ky7pK4CJEOKtajrab07D3GF51o6PZEW3ATi+JbGdGt+A+vTQwn6 gz/MJjP5SdjVUgWbkYfhRt4UfM14rl7tBapu/JgCxryMz3MHZa1jHR8gWB7SWTyk jLB8FuWiSZBbATWFHdzxKL+UzKKrTPF4djjGyV73R6UQRsdumjBiRM7evZcBD+Ai F+r+LWzgeufagpSEZPg9OEPlOFxGGCqj/CTiE+Ft7jx+x9gnv0fACL9l1eMaAiZQ asvi78NQytPNEDb24iO5B8BfWmVnrNrADS7nEuilvD+AE7MkD/A= =WPxs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cxkds7eijvk2pk4s--