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[185.70.43.17]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q23-20020adfb197000000b003457720cd34si408208wra.4.2024.04.20.12.14.42 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 20 Apr 2024 12:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lists@achow101.com designates 185.70.43.17 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.70.43.17; Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 19:14:34 +0000 To: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com From: "'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List" Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors Message-ID: <070755a0-10e9-4903-9524-dd8ef98c1c8b@achow101.com> In-Reply-To: References: <2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com> <52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef@murch.one> <84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b713@netpurgatory.com> <9baa15e4-062d-478f-8c87-8ff19ab79989@murch.one> <4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@googlegroups.com> <6806b22d-043d-4201-841a-95e17cd8d542@mattcorallo.com> <77554baa9330c57361c65c1fc85557f1@dtrt.org> <7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a441-aebcfc7b0bben@googlegroups.com> Feedback-ID: 53660394:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: e3144b3afdc21a3b3f5b5831a8691c3d7bf2e417 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: lists@achow101.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@achow101.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=j+ZuGwHJ; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lists@achow101.com designates 185.70.43.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lists@achow101.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=achow101.com X-Original-From: Ava Chow Reply-To: Ava Chow Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like to inform=20 everyone of what will happen on Monday. There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have there=20 been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last email.=20 As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,=20 Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday=20 April 22nd. Ava On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List=20 wrote: > While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at > once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the > nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual > objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objections > to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share > their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed > by many others. >=20 > Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current > counts are: > * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against > * Murch - 13 for > * Jonatack - 13 for > * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against > * Roasbeef - 9 for > * Michael Folkson - none >=20 > However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and > require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process > be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by > achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of > these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who > have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list > seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone really > wants to deal with. >=20 > I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted > on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached out > to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and > Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public > confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not > received a response from Roasbeef. >=20 > Ava >=20 > On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote: >> > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group >> majority. >> >> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having >> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which people >> just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up >> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not >> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up >> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from >> their expectations. >> >> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and >> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we need >> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking off= ). >> >> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from. >> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track >> record in the space >> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk > > wrote: >> >> +1 for >> Kanzure >> RubenSomsen >> Seccour >> Jon Atack >> Roasbeef >> >> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group >> majority. >> >> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas. >> >> I'd like to return to that. >> >> - NVK (temp gmail account) >> >> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Hardi= ng wrote: >> >> On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote: >> > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I >> like Bob!". >> >> Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appear= s >> to be >> the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks de= note >> candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role. >> >> - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris >> Stewart[3], >> Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon >> Black[11], >> Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John >> Carvalho[16] >> >> - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], >> Michael >> Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], = John >> Carvalho[16] >> >> - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3], >> /dev/fd0[5][7], >> Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John >> Carvalho[16] >> >> - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris >> Stewart[3], John >> C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine >> Riard[12], Ava Chow[14] >> >> - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Kea= gan >> McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine >> Riard[12], >> Ava Chow[14] >> >> - Michael Folkson* >> >> Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for >> "non-dev >> triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and >> Antoine >> Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM". >> >> I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the abov= e >> candidates had been especially active there, which is listed >> below as: >> total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed). >> >> - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure >> - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen >> - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack >> - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef >> - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus >> - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson >> >> I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to >> have a >> merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are >> far-along >> draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent >> Payments). I >> don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it >> demonstrates >> familiarity with the process. >> >> Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above w= ith >> multiple recommendations from other community participants are >> fully >> qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed >> justification >> for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a >> longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Cor= allo >> mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a >> draft >> BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of >> all 300 >> pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has >> reviewed >> drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases >> significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of t= he >> documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd >> ask him >> to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's alread= y >> doing, >> so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role. >> >> -Dave >> >> [1] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101= .com/ >> [2] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.o= rg/ >> [3] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegr= oups.com/ >> [4] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurga= tory.com/ >> [5] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegr= oups.com/ >> [6] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegr= oups.com/ >> [7] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegr= oups.com/ >> [8] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3Dw= ruqgLEazRA5...@mail.gmail.com/ >> [9] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/ >> >> [10] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcora= llo.com/ >> [11] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/ >> >> [12] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@m= ail.gmail.com/ >> [13] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.on= e/ >> [14] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@achow101= .com/ >> [15] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof= _oSBXsuizh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4xo= jo=3D@protonmail.com/ >> [16] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@googlegr= oups.com/ >> [17] >> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D= =3DYJMvd9Qrst+...@mail.gmail.com/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a44= 1-aebcfc7b0bben%40googlegroups.com . >> >> >> >> -- >> Sergi. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CAEYHFxV_8_Jw61tysL_cV_xiXB= cRyA3e%3DCGHGuSCgm%2B-4WxT9w%40mail.gmail.com . >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/bitcoindev/fb52ccb5-9942-4db8-b880-3c06ebc47cd1%40achow101.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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