From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WaX6o-0002Eb-Jr for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:11:06 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of heliacal.net designates 91.234.48.203 as permitted sender) client-ip=91.234.48.203; envelope-from=laszlo@heliacal.net; helo=mail3.heliacal.net; Received: from mail3.heliacal.net ([91.234.48.203]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1WaX6m-0004cJ-ND for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:11:06 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Laszlo Hanyecz In-Reply-To: <20140416204223.GL59714@giles.gnomon.org.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:10:56 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <07D78278-F882-42D3-AD52-84D168F104D2@heliacal.net> References: <534E9DDC.7000502@gmail.com> <20140416204223.GL59714@giles.gnomon.org.uk> To: Roy Badami X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.7 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WaX6m-0004cJ-ND Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Warning message when running wallet in Windows XP (or drop support?) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:11:06 -0000 I think a warning like this is inappropriate. There are many reasons to use an out of date operating system and high = level applications like wallets need not concern themselves with the = rest of the system. Maybe the wallet can scan your browser cache and = tell you to stop visiting somesite.com too? It just sounds like some kind of behavior modification that's being = discussed here.. not-so-subtly suggesting that users shell out money for = a newer version of the operating system, just to use their bitcoin = wallets in a 'blessed' configuration. This actually sounds very similar = to what happens with Apple iPhones.. they somehow manage to 'invalidate' = the charging cables and accessories with every major software version. = One day an accessory is working fine, then after the update users get a = behavior modification nag every time they use it, urging them to buy a = new one. Along these same lines, might as well put a warning about the = registry keys needing to be cleaned, and maybe a 'shock the money' = banner[1]. You guys all know how it works with financial software - there are many = organizations using decades old software (and hardware) because they = know its shortcomings, they've taken care of them in a way that works = them, and they don't want to start all over just for the sake of having = the newest version. -Laszlo [1] = http://www.buzzfeed.com/adobe/obnoxious-banner-ads-that-everyone-remembers= On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Roy Badami wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 05:20:41PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Kevin = wrote: >>> I think we should get to the bottom of this. Should we assume that = xp is >>> not secure enough? >>=20 >> Yes. >=20 > Do we need a similar warning for OS X 10.6? The EOL of that one is > *far* less well known than XP (because of Apple's failure to > communicate product lifecycles). >=20 > roy >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>> What is this warning? >>=20 >> Windows XP is no longer maintained. Don't use such a system for >> protecting your money. >>=20 >>> Who is issuing this warning? >>=20 >> Microsoft: = http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help >>=20 >> The suggestion here is to make Bitcoin Core detect when it's running >> on Windows XP, and warn the user (they are likely unaware of the >> risks). >>=20 >> --=20 >> Pieter >>=20 >> = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book >> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and = their >> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, >> this first edition is now available. 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