From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QiPuJ-0001Zs-Ot for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:53:11 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from nm10-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.103]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with smtp (Exim 4.76) id 1QiPuI-0004Iy-RQ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:53:11 +0000 Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2011 11:53:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.10] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2011 11:53:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2011 11:53:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 500341.1070.bm@omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78372 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2011 11:53:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5Y7iyakVM1mINO1ckvoApqCfQci3DwFp6eEP2OYhbc4510h Dbc9KHP4bqTzKA0y8xT9tzySpZ3AcxJJmGhU1N4ltHUBZrOjJZhvIKAcB6AO nm4tiXA.x7mAKPhpZnCZMU7PrgU7hkabqtpxHRbBz.tWs25487PHYuJcDU57 KQb6YzoG71g8uOJo3AwNb8m1bvc7m7IaAiB9v4GZCh889PazdvmZ6ge5csRJ yuLDoeLb6KeauS.tat7yBMUFXriCKDU_sigO05iF4rMciX09_nYMeC0SIpIH IoSOr2hj8sHRwnls0SjU0vEG1DFFL6ssTDna7_ET.jbreN5lSLH0weHtYnvb _BDyz_JY6R_8j0T3BxfvigO_b0gfKj0s7d7RoYKp3CuagS.Qbe6ExCtUSMOs KDBoKsvR1SahrykGbElwk3xgZqT6z5zJR0gzq5_9LLgxW2XyoVW__UGpiez4 ZmpM2FkIqV798e1EBK0QAfxNY56cNyliObZiR.CSmmkkDO1USERaAv00BrMU pLJP.QPIbm.7fCYRz5titS64- Received: from [178.42.79.228] by web121007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:53:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: <201107161314.13267.luke@dashjr.org> <20110716195907.GA311029@tenebreuse> <201107161603.08960.luke@dashjr.org> Message-ID: <1310903585.65859.YahooMailNeo@web121007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Amir Taaki To: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1922963698-1310903585=:65859" X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [98.138.91.103 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.5 TVD_PH_BODY_ACCOUNTS_PRE BODY: TVD_PH_BODY_ACCOUNTS_PRE 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (zgenjix[at]yahoo.com) -1.1 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1QiPuI-0004Iy-RQ Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] [RFC] listtransactions reformatting X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Amir Taaki List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:53:11 -0000 --0-1922963698-1310903585=:65859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oops, sorry Gavin. Meant to reply to the mailing list. --------------- People should not be using accounts for receiving funds on merchant sites. There are too many bugs associated with it, and it has innumerable problems. Like not being able to merge wallets or lack of find grained control when moving funds around. https://gitorious.org/intersango/bitcoind/commit/50a6ab79ed8c5398648c52fbdc4be07f70dedadb This is the recommended & most safest way to receive funds on a merchant site ATM. listreceivedsince is called every so often by a cron job. The output is parsed and placed into another table and then another job will go and create a deposit request from that table. The next call to listreceivedsince will call with the time of the last transaction, and doubles must be discarded using the txid. Polling listtransactions is less convenient since you always repeat old transactions that you may not need, get generated transactions and have to pick a good number that goes back far enough, but not too far. ________________________________ From: Gavin Andresen To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] [RFC] listtransactions reformatting Fixing listtransactions (and listreceivedby/etc) so coin generation transactions to particular addresses/accounts are credited to that address/account is a good idea. I don't think changing listtransactions output would be on the priority list for any web services operators (in fact, I think most would scream bloody murder if the output changed in a way that forced them to change their code). The accounts-related things that I think ARE on their high-priority list are: 1) Fixing getbalance and listtransactions performance problems when you have hundreds of thousands of transactions and thousands of accounts. 2) push-notification of coins received to accounts, so they don't have to poll for changes. -- -- Gavin Andresen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev _______________________________________________ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development --0-1922963698-1310903585=:65859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Oops, sorry Gavin. Meant to reply to the mailing list.

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People should not be using accounts for receiving funds on merchant sites. There are too many bugs associated with it, and it has innumerable problems. Like not being able to merge wallets or lack of find grained control when moving funds around.

https://gitorious.org/intersango/bitcoind/commit/50a6ab79ed8c5398648c52fbdc4be07f70dedadb

This is the recommended & most safest way to receive funds on a merchant site ATM.

listreceivedsince <timest> is called every so often by a cron job.
The output is parsed and placed into another table and then another job will go and create a deposit request from that table. The next call to listreceivedsince <timest> will call with the time of the last transaction, and doubles must be discarded using the txid.

Polling listtransactions is less convenient since you always repeat old transactions that you may not need, get generated transactions and have to pick a good number that goes back far enough, but not too far.

From: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com>
To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] [RFC] listtransactions reformatting

Fixing listtransactions (and listreceivedby/etc) so coin generation
transactions to particular addresses/accounts are credited to that
address/account is a good idea.

I don't think changing listtransactions output would be on the
priority list for any web services operators (in fact, I think most
would scream bloody murder if the output changed in a way that forced
them to change their code). The accounts-related things that I think
ARE on their high-priority list are:

1) Fixing getbalance and listtransactions performance problems when
you have hundreds of thousands of transactions and thousands of
accounts.

2) push-notification of coins received to accounts, so they don't have
to poll for changes.

--
--
Gavin Andresen

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