From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RsF4B-00037q-0R for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:52:15 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from nm38-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.229.146]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with smtp (Exim 4.76) id 1RsF45-0001vz-5g for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:52:14 +0000 Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 14:52:03 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.162] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 14:52:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 14:52:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 569688.13169.bm@omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36785 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2012 14:52:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uX4qd.8VM1kb.ym5jiHTYnb.YaXoN64_l2BfkFPf9rkm43B LQ4hDf79I9bc3rqfTU64qZDIhztS.jycSi9YkRixZcB__E2T_cXPRr8lZJj4 JgUSMyMf9FKltksPNVomQp4zZtM03oFDXJKhaC3NwZfOrQTldsdy2pqrLmlv hY3fWOjnWNt342kC6w5eTkyjMk_iFAqMHHi538S4JYfWroIQr5MnhJ8g4u9d xqExLIrkHUYcg6HdCyvCm.CEIrB42ulJZZ41sePvGGZe3F_7tBHIlmMzgohd Zq4cOJIebvW.ggvEDl3OOZ_KtiH0ThhJqv5Ch4GQHDCXAiuYuheL9kXDxdpX RR7FnDwCvZYH.0T7HXqBXOhRtCuoPa.GZYdrLfkTZq5wR8Hzcj4JcRqlIQ39 XT0tyfuvK15.GNC7pZwp2SQQDilXjoLlQDQohrJw357UU1ob.dZGwnnMyI_H Fo0hgce3D9TIWHJShQJItRqbahKg- Received: from [92.20.121.197] by web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:52:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1328020046.70720.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1328021523.22197.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:52:03 -0800 (PST) From: Amir Taaki To: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="344044665-2027109425-1328021523=:22197" X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [98.138.229.146 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (zgenjix[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Headers-End: 1RsF45-0001vz-5g Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP 20 Rejected, process for BIP 21N X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Amir Taaki List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:52:15 -0000 --344044665-2027109425-1328021523=:22197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > excuse me if it was already discussed, but maybe using satoshis instead o= f decimal bitcoin would be better ?> choice? We all know about pains with p= roper handling decimal numbers across of all implementations - and > it's n= ot only about json-rpc.=0A=0A=0AYeah well it's up to the people who are mak= ing this stuff to decide :)=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Amir T= aaki wrote:=0A=0ABIP 20 really has no support among imp= lementations such as Bitcoin-Qt, Electrum, MultiBit or Bitcoin-JS. As the m= ost active and visible user facing GUI projects (all with some form of URI = Scheme), their opinion carries the most weight. To a lesser degree Bitcoin-= Qt has the large majority of users too (although that's a line of reasoning= I'd discourage).=0A>=0A>Normally we should probably Reject BIP 21 and re-s= ubmit a new standard (for history's sake), but as a) BIP 21 is largely a co= py paste of BIP 20 sans some sections b) it is still a draft, probably the = best thing here is if you all agree on something to run it by BlueMatt and = then we'll make it the new BIP 21.=0A>=0A>I can see a consensus forming on = most parts. Just the send private key is contentious, and there's the topic= of adding a time to expire field for merchants (this is a very good idea I= MO).=0A>=0A>Also BIP 20 is problematic because it is incompatible with abou= t every standard on the web. All the HTML, URI and everything uses decimal = numbers alone. I see no reason for breaking with tradition. Note that every= time I have to write Color or Vectorize (as a British speaker) in my code, = I die a little inside. But it's convention and American English =3D Interna= tional English. Also it would be cool if all code used a *real* internation= al language (like Esperanto) but the world ain't perfect! We live in a deci= mal-counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worshipping world!=0A>=0A>(= no offense to=A0decimal-counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worship= ping world- I do half those things too :)=0A>=0A>--------------------------= ----------------------------------------------------=0A>Keep Your Developer= Skills Current with LearnDevNow!=0A>The most comprehensive online learning= library for Microsoft developers=0A>is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePo= int, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3,=0A>Metro Style Apps, more. 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> excuse me i= f it was already discussed, but maybe using satoshis instead of decimal bit= coin would be better ?> choice? We all know about pains with proper hand= ling decimal numbers across of all implementations - and > it's not only= about json-rpc.

Yeah well it's up to the peop= le who are making this stuff to decide :)

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo.com> wrote:
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BIP 20 really has no sup= port among implementations such as Bitcoin-Qt, Electrum, MultiBit or Bitcoi= n-JS. As the most active and visible user facing GUI projects (all with som= e form of URI Scheme), their opinion carries the most weight. To a lesser d= egree Bitcoin-Qt has the large majority of users too (although that's a lin= e of reasoning I'd discourage).
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=0ANormally we should proba= bly Reject BIP 21 and re-submit a new standard (for history's sake), but as= a) BIP 21 is largely a copy paste of BIP 20 sans some sections b) it is st= ill a draft, probably the best thing here is if you all agree on something = to run it by BlueMatt and then we'll make it the new BIP 21.
=0A=0A=0A=0AI can see a consensus forming on most parts. Just the send private key= is contentious, and there's the topic of adding a time to expire field for= merchants (this is a very good idea IMO).
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=0AAlso BIP 20 is prob= lematic because it is incompatible with about every standard on the web. Al= l the HTML, URI and everything uses decimal numbers alone. I see no reason = for breaking with tradition. Note that everytime I have to write Color or V= ectorize (as a British speaker) in my code, I die a little inside. But it's= convention and American English =3D International English. Also it would b= e cool if all code used a *real* international language (like Esperanto) bu= t the world ain't perfect! We live in a decimal-counting English-speaking W= indows-using God-worshipping world!
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=0A(no offense to = decimal-counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worshipping world- I do= half those things too :)
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