From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UsI3O-0007SA-AN for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:40:26 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of fastmail.co.uk designates 66.111.4.26 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.111.4.26; envelope-from=jim618@fastmail.co.uk; helo=out2-smtp.messagingengine.com; Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1UsI3M-0001WA-FW for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:40:26 +0000 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E1320D43 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.213]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:40:18 -0400 Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9A52EB00003; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1372362018.21506.140661249289441.6E1B5441@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: A8AG0DR4JPdXwcew5bipVP8zBvU4pMCBCEngHEOacq8M 1372362018 From: Jim To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-5ae8e04c In-Reply-To: <1372360716.14869.140661249272837.1376DACB@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1372353053.10405.140661249237317.77984E1F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <201306271804.51009.luke@dashjr.org> <1372360716.14869.140661249272837.1376DACB@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:40:18 +0100 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jim618[at]fastmail.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (jim618[at]fastmail.co.uk) 0.6 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL listed in the SBL blocklist [URIs: dashjr.org] -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1UsI3M-0001WA-FW Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:40:26 -0000 RE: 141.101.113.245 http://whois.domaintools.com/141.101.113.245 gives it as CloudFlare - I suspect it is protecting Mt Gox when we make our get for currency ticker info. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 08:18 PM, Jim wrote: > A few replies, in order of point raised: > > Jeff: > Arguments against multibit default: > * Less testing, field experience on desktop > > Yes this is true - downloads of multibit have typically been around > 1/7th to 1/5th of bitcoin-QT downloads. It helps of course that > the bitcoinj networking/ object model is also used by Andreas > as you note. > > > Greg: > I think Mike has squashed the deadlocking problems with reentrant > locks (primarily in the Wallet). I haven't seen one in at least a month. > > We discussed proxy support on the bitcoinj mailing list a while ago > and at the time the stumbling block was the Java library used for > the networking (Netty) did not support it. Mike or Miron would > know better than I if this is still the case. > > Change address behaviour will improve significantly when HD > wallet support goes into multibit/ bitcoinj (I am hoping to get my > bit done over the summer). Matija Mazi has been working on a > Java impl of HD wallets so it is coming down the pipe but > there is a lot to do yet. > > Connections out from MultiBit are: > + 4 bitcoind nodes on port 8333 > + multibit.org (188.138.113.201) for help, current version info > (and probably more in future) > + the currency ticker will make HTTP gets to the source of > whichever exchange(s) you have set up e.g MtGox, CampBX. > This calls should disappear if you switch the currency conversion > and ticker off. > > I think that is all the connections out I make. > > Mainly due to the exchanges abruptly changing their APIs and > breaking things we are planning to put in intermediate > "Exchange Data Provider" servers. Tim Molter is working on this > in his XChange project. That will enable us to patch the server > when things change and the multibits in the field won't be > affected. There will probably be a couple of these initially > for redundancy. > > Alex: Yes I think most users migrate to blockchain.info or, > more recently coinbase.com. They are both good wallets > but I'd like to keep Bitcoin as P2P as possible. > > Luke-Jr > I think you are right here on the number of full nodes versus > SPV nodes. > I don't think we even know yet what are the working ratios of > full nodes to SPV nodes. I haven't seen anybody do any > analysis on this. > > I doubt multibit will ever participate in the Bitcoin network > other than as an SPV client. All the optimisation is to reduce > data traffic - it is effectively a mobile wallet that happens to > live on a desktop. It is not really intended to be more than > "a wallet for regular people to store and spend their bitcoin". > > In English the nomenclature for direction of the transactions > is: "Sent to" and "Received with". To be honest I > haven't transliterated the localisation files to check other > language packs but the localisers are pretty good in my > experience. > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 07:41 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Luke-Jr wrote: > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:30:21 PM Jeff Garzik wrote: > > >> * Very real possibility of an overall net reduction of full nodes on P2P > > >> network > > > Even a reduction of *nodes at all*, as I've never seen a listening bitcoinj or > > > MultiBit node. :/ > > > Jim, will MultiBit be adding p2p listening support? > > > > Without validation listening isn't currently very useful. :( Maybe it > > could be somewhat more with some protocol additions. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > > > Build for Windows Store. > > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > Bitcoin-development mailing list > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > > -- > https://multibit.org Money, reinvented > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- https://multibit.org Money, reinvented