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Harding" To: Andrew Poelstra Cc: James O'Beirne , Bitcoin Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] CTV + CSFS: a letter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <195051b7c393b9a28727e87647ac002b@dtrt.org> X-Sender: dave@dtrt.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed X-Rollernet-Abuse: mailto:abuse@rollernet.us https://www.rollernet.us/policy X-Rollernet-Submit: Submit ID 4d28.68479395.17d74.0 X-Original-Sender: dave@dtrt.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dave@dtrt.org designates 2607:fe70:0:3::d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dave@dtrt.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) On 2025-06-09 13:02, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > if nobody in Core wants to > engage at all with consensus changes, then the result is effectively > the > same as a veto. Hi Andrew and the other signatories, Why do you think nobody in Core wants to engage at all with consensus changes (or, at least, specifically the proposals for CTV & CSFS)? The usual purpose of an open letter is to generate public pressure against the target (otherwise, if you didn't want to generate public pressure, you would send a private letter). Does that mean that you feel the lack of engagement is a result of a previous lack of pressure? I have to admit that runs counter to my own sense---I thought there was already significant social pressure on Bitcoin Core contributors to work on CTV (and now CSFS); I wouldn't expect more pressure to achieve new results; rather, I'd expect more pressure to create more frustration on all sides. Alternatively, if you feel like the lack of engagement is a result of some other condition, I would be curious to learn of that condition and learn why you thought an open letter (with what comes across as an ultimatum) would help address it. 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