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It's= a wart [...] > But more to the point, it does not solve any of the problems that were=20 > originally provided as justification, apart from making it slightly=20 > simpler to implement an SPV wallet (no need to get the coinbase tx).=20 It's important to keep in mind that "SPV wallet" also includes any kind of = automated bridge that requires knowledge of Bitcoin transaction inclusion. = What's simple to implement in a rust-bitcoin wallet may be extremely hard i= n a smart contract. Or maybe it's indeed trivial. It could be a useful illustration if someone implements such a bridge using= any of the proposed covenant op codes, and shows the difference in complex= ity between having the 64 byte limit and not having it. I do agree that people should read these other threads to form an opinion o= n the topic. And the BIP should point to these threads if it doesn't alread= y. - Sjors --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/= 19f6a854-674a-4e4d-9497-363af306e3a0%40app.fastmail.com.