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From: Johnson Lau <jl2012@xbt.hk>
To: ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail.com>,
	bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] More thoughts on NOINPUT safety
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:37:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1D5043F6-DC7B-4D40-9B68-30125829A7F6@xbt.hk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <isp2OcX23r-Tfl-WSbybuKnppjVlZV52AM1GGEaQd8uHlkliikUBvK49WOnzgaxOjDuOCNdu6CsmHt6kfK0z_FRrOgYAYWrWaDniZA3EEZQ=@protonmail.com>

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> On 20 Mar 2019, at 4:07 PM, ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi aj,
> 
> Re-reading again, I think perhaps I was massively confused by this:
> 
>> - alternatively, we could require every script to have a valid signature
>> that commits to the input. In that case, you could do eltoo with a
>> script like either:
>> 
>> <A> CHECKSIGVERIFY <B> CHECKSIG
>> or <P> CHECKSIGVERIFY <Q> CHECKSIG
>> 
>> 
>> where A is Alice's key and B is Bob's key, P is muSig(A,B) and Q is
>> a key they both know the private key for. In the first case, Alice
>> would give Bob a NOINPUT sig for the tx, and when Bob wanted to publish
>> Bob would just do a SIGHASH_ALL sig with his own key. In the second,
>> Alice and Bob would share partial NOINPUT sigs of the tx with P, and
>> finish that when they wanted to publish.
> 
> Do you mean that *either* of the above two scripts is OK, *or* do you mean they are alternatives within a single MAST or `OP_IF`?
> 

It means either.

If you use <A> CHECKSIGVERIFY <B> CHECKSIG style, A and B will exchange the NOINPUT sig, and they will add the required non-NOINPUT sig when needed.

If you use <muSig(A,B)> CHECKVERIFY <Q> CHECKSIG, A and B will co-sign the muSig(A,B) with NOINPUT. They will also share the private key of Q, so they could produce a non-NOINPUT sig when needed.

The first style is slightly easier as it doesn’t need muSig. But with 3 or more parties, the second style is more efficient.

However, if you use watchtower, you have to use the second style. That means you need to share the private key for Q with the watchtower, That also means the watchtower will have the ability to reply the NOINPU muSig. But it is still strictly better than anyone-can-replay.


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  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-21  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-13  1:41 [bitcoin-dev] More thoughts on NOINPUT safety Anthony Towns
2019-03-13  6:41 ` [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] " ZmnSCPxj
2019-03-13 11:10   ` Anthony Towns
2019-03-14  5:22     ` ZmnSCPxj
2019-03-14  7:24       ` Anthony Towns
2019-03-14  7:55         ` ZmnSCPxj
2019-03-14 12:00         ` Christian Decker
2019-03-20  0:22 ` Rusty Russell
2019-03-20  3:33   ` Rusty Russell
2019-03-20  7:38     ` ZmnSCPxj
2019-03-20  8:07       ` ZmnSCPxj
2019-03-21  8:37         ` Johnson Lau [this message]
2019-03-21  9:06         ` Anthony Towns
2019-03-21 10:05           ` ZmnSCPxj
2019-03-21 11:55             ` Anthony Towns
2019-03-22  1:59               ` ZmnSCPxj
2019-03-22  2:58                 ` Anthony Towns
2019-03-22  7:46                   ` ZmnSCPxj
2019-03-22  4:23                 ` Johnson Lau

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