From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UFpnL-00026l-MX for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:48:55 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.149.82 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.149.82; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail149082.authsmtp.co.uk; Received: from outmail149082.authsmtp.co.uk ([62.13.149.82]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1UFpnK-0006l7-8r for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:48:55 +0000 Received: from mail-c233.authsmtp.com (mail-c233.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.233]) by punt14.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id r2DHmhjV029965; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:48:43 GMT Received: from savin (76-10-178-109.dsl.teksavvy.com [76.10.178.109]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id r2DHmcIP011040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:48:41 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:48:38 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Gavin Andresen Message-ID: <20130313174838.GA22621@savin> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 3e641a29-8c06-11e2-a49c-0025907707a1 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdwEUFVQGAgsB AmUbWlNeVFV7XWI7 bAxPbAVDY01GQQRq WVdMSlVNFUsqA2h5 W01nMhlzdgVCeDB5 Z0ZmEHMOWkB7JER0 X0YHFWsbZGY1an1O VEkLagNUcgZDfhhC alcuVT1vNG8XFCY/ FAwoPiI8dTxZJGxS TA9IJlIbQEBDAiQ1 QQsLFikuGkseLwAA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1021:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 76.10.178.109/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1UFpnK-0006l7-8r Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Blocksize and off-chain transactions X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:48:55 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 01:01:43PM -0400, Gavin Andresen wrote: > > The very statement that we're willing to increase the blocksize as our > > solution to increased transaction volume rather go down the path of > > off-chain transactions is incredibly controversial. >=20 > I really don't understand this either/or mentality. You said it best yourself: 10:48 < gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: argument for another day, but I can almost guarantee that the blocksize limit will be raised in less than 2 years, just based on pressure from the big businesses using the chain (and no, NOT satoshidice) Decentralization offers big businesses nothing; they're a regulation target already by virtue of size alone. > OF COURSE we're going to raise the block size limit. Limiting the main > blockchain to single-digit transactions-per-second is not an option, > the vision FOREVER has been to scale it up. >=20 > And OF COURSE there will be off-chain transactions-- at the very > least, we need them for "instantly confirmed" transactions. >=20 > But lets table that whole discussion until 0.8.1 is out the door. >=20 > --=20 > -- > Gavin Andresen >=20 --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFAu/YACgkQpEFN739thoycQgCeMh9jjoM5Q5A/PRjuA4WJlwS8 64AAn3bd9WPI4hsatZg/O+fzeJaL/Gwb =NXgz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c--