From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UeKGl-0008PC-0K for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 20 May 2013 07:12:31 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from zinan.dashjr.org ([173.242.112.54]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1UeKGj-00075i-PT for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 20 May 2013 07:12:30 +0000 Received: from ishibashi.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49]) (Authenticated sender: luke-jr) by zinan.dashjr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1385E27A2965 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 07:12:24 +0000 (UTC) From: "Luke-Jr" To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 07:12:16 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.9.0-gentoo; KDE/4.10.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <20130519132359.GA12366@netbook.cypherspace.org> In-Reply-To: <20130519132359.GA12366@netbook.cypherspace.org> X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E463 A93F 5F31 17EE DE6C 7316 BD02 9424 21F4 889F X-PGP-Key-ID: BD02942421F4889F X-PGP-Keyserver: hkp://pgp.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201305200712.19206.luke@dashjr.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.1 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1UeKGj-00075i-PT Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 07:12:31 -0000 This sounds similar to the "bitcoin2" branch I created a while back - basically a "next"-like branch, but for hardforking changes that refused to run without the -testnet option. There's so much non-hardforking code that can be written/tested, at this point, that I think it was and maybe is premature to be writing hardforking code outside of necessity. But perhaps if you want to play around, it might be a good starting point (it can probably merge up to latest master, and trivial to rebase if not). On Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:23:59 PM Adam Back wrote: > Is there a way to experiment with new features - eg committed coins - that > doesnt involve an altcoin in the conventional sense, and also doesnt impose > a big testing burden on bitcoin main which is a security and testing risk? > > eg lets say some form of merged mine where an alt-coin lets call it > bitcoin-staging? where the coins are the same coins as on bitcoin, the > mining power goes to bitcoin main, so some aspect of merged mining, but no > native mining. and ability to use bitcoins by locking them on bitcoin to > move them to bitcoin-staging and vice versa (ie exchange them 1:1 > cryptographically, no exchange). > > Did anyone figure anything like that out? Seems vaguely doable and > maybe productive. The only people with coins at risk of defects in a new > feature, or insufficiently well tested novel feature are people with coins > on bitcoin-staging. > > Yes I know about bitcoin-test this is not it. I mean a real live system, > with live value, but that is intentionally wanting to avoid forking > bitcoins parameters, nor value, nor mindshare dillution. In this way > something potentially interesting could move forward faster, and be les > risky to the main bitcoin network. eg particularly defenses against > > It might also be a more real world test test (after bitcoin-test) because > some parameters are different on test, and some issues may not manifest > without more real activity. > > Then also bitcoin could cherry pick interesting patches and merge them > after extensive real-world validation with real-money at stake (by early > adopters). > > Adam > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- AlienVault Unified Security Management (USM) platform delivers complete > security visibility with the essential security capabilities. Easily and > efficiently configure, manage, and operate all of your security controls > from a single console and one unified framework. Download a free trial. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/alienvault_d2d > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development