From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VZMJS-0007qI-Ib for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:55:02 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.148.95 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.148.95; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail148095.authsmtp.com; Received: from outmail148095.authsmtp.com ([62.13.148.95]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1VZMJR-0006ZD-26 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:55:02 +0000 Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt8.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r9OEssBi013016; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:54:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from savin (76-10-178-109.dsl.teksavvy.com [76.10.178.109]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id r9OEsmhe078618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:54:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:54:47 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Mike Hearn Message-ID: <20131024145447.GA19949@savin> References: <20131024143043.GA12658@savin> <20131024144358.GA17142@savin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 3c1c315b-3cbc-11e3-94fa-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdAYUF1YAAgsB AmUbWlFeVVl7XGI7 bAxPbAVDY01GQQRq WVdMSlVNFUsqCGN0 RUNGBxl1fwNHcDB5 ZE9qEHMIXRd5dEMv X00HRz4bZGY1a30W VBYJagNUcgZDfk5E aVUrVz1vNG8XDQg5 AwQ0PjZ0MThBJSBS WgQAK04nCWMCHT86 SFgMEDhnEFYZRiA6 Mx0hLBYWEVoNP19a X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 76.10.178.109/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. 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[URIs: petertodd.org] X-Headers-End: 1VZMJR-0006ZD-26 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Making fee estimation better X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:55:02 -0000 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 04:46:41PM +0200, Mike Hearn wrote: > Well, miners are all supposed to be more or less equivalent - modulo > differences in tx acceptance policies - so I'd hope that having out of bad > fee mechanisms yet still broadcasting the TX isn't that common. If it was > broadcasted, it should get mined in short order, otherwise things are goi= ng > wrong. Eligius has contracts to do transaction mining, and it's currently 10% of the hashing power. As I said elsewhere, a good use-case for OOB fee payment is for merchants who use the payment protocol, and want to get their customers transactions mined as efficiently and cheaply as possible. (child-pays-for-parent has more blockchain bloat and thus extra expense) > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Peter Todd wrote: >=20 > > Anyway, in what circumstance would a customer want an exclusive contract > > with a miner? > > >=20 > I was thinking for transactions that aren't standard so have to be > submitted to miners directly. Sure, but even then there's no harm in letting more than one miner know about it. There's even an existing form of this: P2Pool lets shares be accompanied by up to 50KB worth of transactions of any form. --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 000000000000000d2860c825ea223b805c60a33b26b9b70616698033d360b066 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQGrBAEBCACVBQJSaTS3XhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMGQyODYwYzgyNWVhMjIzYjgwNWM2MGEzM2IyNmI5YjcwNjE2 Njk4MDMzZDM2MGIwNjYvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQJIFAPaXwkfsgwwf/ftC3Ywys0jGxqmKRNqESvsQG SmEgRF31pCLJ2d5XuDxsFrk1Q9I70oOZ+PpyEE5t45DTWf8+z4ncMNIt8S3Nzr9e 3IkzUcO2Bz5nqco8bMWpclwnQrXy+Q+kxvEn5cSwrOSK7WSfIohY2GpivqTYFSac 9vFCTXuQSS33otHIhBxedIfXt2fOimOwGv8iLsis5cT8CAZ5WkTQ468zMiB1qeaT LKVrbtczLY4g1ZtgbtnDGVRynngbX2MSNA7UUcw5w8A22jevNOP7Hd5rLMPMKC3U oqh5yTqWdTTPJ7BnJaEFxQB48IM9nZm+eH5+2vugdYBCey8vzpWk0ax5CBK/jw== =u0G9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S--