From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1W3uU8-0003zu-Pq for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:28:20 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.148.161 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.148.161; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail148161.authsmtp.com; Received: from outmail148161.authsmtp.com ([62.13.148.161]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1W3uU5-0008V8-L5 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:28:20 +0000 Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt15.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s0GLSAbG083117; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:28:10 GMT Received: from petertodd.org (petertodd.org [174.129.28.249]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s0GLS5rw032703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:28:08 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:28:05 -0500 From: Peter Todd To: Jeremy Spilman Message-ID: <20140116212805.GA4421@petertodd.org> References: <20140113133746.GI38964@giles.gnomon.org.uk> <20140114225321.GT38964@giles.gnomon.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 181067f0-7ef5-11e3-b802-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR bgdMdwQUElQaAgsB AmIbWVVeUlV7WWs7 ag1VcwRfa1RMVxto VEFWR1pVCwQmQhx2 en0bEF5ydAdBeH0+ Z0JrWHUVXUx7dUB6 FE5JEjhQYHphaTUc TRJQdwFJcANIexZF O1F6ACIKLwdSbGoL NQ4vNDcwO3BTJTpY RgYVKF8UXXNDJSIx ThQeHX0GEUEfSj4o IgdO X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 174.129.28.249/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. 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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1W3uU5-0008V8-L5 Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Stealth Addresses X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:28:21 -0000 --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 04:05:27PM -0800, Jeremy Spilman wrote: > Might I propose "reusable address". >=20 > I think that describes it best to any non-programmer, and even more > so encourages wallets to present options as 'one time use' vs > 'reusable'. >=20 > It definitely packs a marketing punch which could help drive > adoption. The feature is only useful if/when broadly adopted. I'm very against the name "reusable addresses" and strongly belive we should stick with the name stealth addresses. You gotta look at it from the perspective of a user; lets take standard pay-to-pubkey-hash addresses: I can tell my wallet to pay one as many times as I want and everything works just great. I also can enter the address on blockchain.info's search box, and every transaction related to the address, and the balance of it, pops up immediately. What is that telling me? A: Addresses starting with "1" are reusable. B: Transactions associated with them appear to be public knowledge. Now I upgrade my wallet software and it says I now have a "reusable" address. My reaction is "Huh? Normal addresses are reusable, what's special about this weird reusable address thing that my buddy Bob's wallet software couldn't pay." I might even try to enter in a "reusable" address in blockchain.info, which won't work, and I'll just figure "must be some new unsupported thing" and move on with my life. On the other hand, suppose my wallet says I now have "stealth address" support. I'm going to think "Huh, stealth? I guess that means privacy right? I like privacy." If I try searching for a stealth address on blockchain.info, when it doesn't work I might think twig on "Oh right! It said stealth addresses are private, so maybe the transactions are hidden?" I might also think "Maybe this is like stealth/incognito mode in my browser? So like, there's no history being kept for others to see?" Regardless, I'm going to be thinking "well I hear scary stuff about Bitcoin privacy, and this stealth thing sounds like it's gonna help, so I should learn more about that" Finally keep in mind that stealth addresses have had a tonne of very fast, and very wide reaching PR. The name is in the public conciousness already, and trying to change it now just because of vague bad associations is going to throw away the momentum of that good PR and slow down adoption. Last night I was at the Toronto Bitcoin Meetup and I based on conversations there with people there, technical and non-technical, almost everyone had heard about them and almost everyone seemed to understand the basic idea of why they were a good thing. 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