From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1W9yxQ-0006qI-Df for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 15:27:40 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1W9yxO-00042m-Gh for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 15:27:40 +0000 Received: from netbook (c186-45.i02-7.onvol.net [213.165.186.45]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LwacZ-1VBGuH1TyB-018F99; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 10:26:35 -0500 Received: by netbook (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB9FE2E4A67; Sun, 2 Feb 2014 16:26:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by flare (hashcash-sendmail, from uid 1000); Sun, 2 Feb 2014 16:26:24 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 16:26:24 +0100 From: Adam Back To: Peter Todd Message-ID: <20140202152624.GA22093@netbook.cypherspace.org> References: <20140124090218.GA15398@savin> <20140124154235.GA3741@netbook.cypherspace.org> <20140124161330.GA31233@petertodd.org> <20140125161901.GA17457@netbook.cypherspace.org> <20140202023651.GA18666@savin> <20140202122610.GA22329@savin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140202122610.GA22329@savin> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Hashcash: 1:20:140202:pete@petertodd.org::abnTlfOq0o4b1KmY:0000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000B5X X-Hashcash: 1:20:140202:jeremy@taplink.co::O5B4YXYtonFlZ0El:00000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000029td X-Hashcash: 1:20:140202:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net::BmLmqyZvsWEa1 Kee:00000000000000000000D+ma X-Hashcash: 1:20:140202:adam@cypherspace.org::LqK2RNx8jdTPBV7j:00000000000000000 00000000000000000000000076JG X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:LK1OzrCITqAxAiQSVFzuZvLCtSKWsXjoZOqmC0RQFIy x1JYKAqZjqyNETlzeFijLq+6ooJLIZPzhtJre024yj0/fK5/fv 7a8rM/M7UXfX0xGyUFp1tWesuAQdY6Tm2oNoMxcKEPNTpWV/bC ATeV7WfKvbDu9tGh4/fWTdhhG4unHX8I/MRrNgxYvQBl+n5t7M KMmrczCEkfBD/3yz4Hao4qM+W2+W7nWPVidCQW7QQaI/LYf95X yL7PkPq0t43lApaduTD/7yRmq5F5qQjXhUFiNKcxkWozWtnyyj jaTWlj0E58wiuL+ALthbuIh+KHMF6rRcSzu7+h62PNHSh7SzdJ luu6xXgcC8C8DRz9sdzBDnZGisMSd5oxrEvvP77x0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.208.4.195 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1W9yxO-00042m-Gh Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] (space) efficient reusable addr via weil pairing IBE (Re: Bait for reusable addresses) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 15:27:40 -0000 I think you Peter & Jeremy figured it out - dont disagree with the explanation details. And it seems better explained between the two posts than I did. I think Peter is right that you do not need an explicit prefix, the prefix after decryption can be a chosen number of leading 0s and this gives a tunable amount of false positives. You already have privacy becaue the query is only revealed to the semi-trusted full node, and its query scope is limited to one or a chosen batch of blocks. But you can if desired add additional ambiguity as Peter described by reducing the number of bits of 0 in the decrypted block. There is no need for matching a specific prefix as its already a recipient specific calculation. (It means the actual encrypted value where it is chosen would have to mimic false positives: random with n-bits of trailing 0s and expected probability distribution). It should be compatible for combining with sharding or public prefixes, as Peter mentioned but for short public prefixes those still has some (reduced) blockchain ledger logged possibility to reduce anonymity set when combined with flow analysis. Maybe you could vary a public prefix per block. Eg the public prefix for a given user is the LSBits of the per block IBE derived pubic key for a given user. I am not sure if that helps or hinders. Maybe it hurts anonymity set because the analyst (Eve) is given multiple chances over time to exclude an analysed flow candidate. It would desirable to find a non-IBE way to do this. (And more computationally efficient / precomputable / indexable) Or you could use different address types depending on the circumstance: one-use, stealth, or IBE. Kind of difficult to automate that (to know what the user is planning to do with it) and avoid user confusion. Clearly users are quite confused and the convenient and understandable thing is to have a (safely) reusable address. Adam On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 07:26:10AM -0500, Peter Todd wrote: >On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 01:16:20AM -0800, Jeremy Spilman wrote: >> > >> >Consequently you can now securely and very network/space efficiently >> >securely delegate searching a block by computing the private key for the >> >IBE pub key that any sender would use for that block, and sending it as >> >a query to a random (or node-capture defended random selected node). >> >The node can decrypt the encrypted bloom baits with it, but remains >> >powerless to correlate with bloom baits to other payments received by >> >the same user in bother blocks. >> > >> >> I'm not sure I've fully wrapped my head around it. >> >> d/Q - Identity key >> E - Generate an epoch-pubkey: E = Q * H1(epoch) >> r/P - Ephemeral privkey/pubkey, or discoverable from inputs >> S = r * K - Shared secret (ECDE) > >There needs to be two separate payor pubkeys, which I called elsewhere >the "Filter" and "Recover" pubkeys - the latter I think corresponds to >what you meant by identity key. From those two pubkeys two separate >shared secrets are derived. > >The key idea is that you can encrypt a short string of zeros with the >"Filter" pubkey using ECDH and place the resulting "filter bait" in the >transaction. This lets the payor give the secret key corresponding to >that pubkey to a semi-trusted third party. That third party can then >trial decrypt all filter bait seen in transactions in the blockchain, >and every time the decrypted string has a sufficient number of zeros >it's considered a filter pass and the transaction is given to the payor. >For n zero bits one in 2^n transactions will match at random, which sets >your false positive rate. > >Basically think of it as a way to outsource the work required for >zero-prefix stealth addresses, but with (less) of a sacrifice of >anonymity compared to just giving the third-party your recovery pubkey. >Identity-based encryption only comes into it because it's nice to be >able to further limit what transactions the server knows about to >specific time intervals rather than forver into the future. > >Interestingly both schemes can be used at once - a short public prefix >combined with a second private filter. What's interesting there is that >the public prefix can do a first-pass filtering, with the second private >filter relatively long but still providing plausible deniability - you >can always claim 100% of the matching transactions were false positives >because you didn't receive any funds! > >> The full node then uses this privkey to decrypt the same byte in all >> the transactions in that epoch/block which match the expected >> layout/template, e.g. given a certain length OP_RETURN, pull the >> specific byte and decrypt. >> >> This decrypted byte is then in turn used as bloom bait which may or >> may not cause the transaction to be sent back to the SPV client. > >There's no bloom filters involved; as I said before "bloom bait" is a >misleading name. "Filter bait" is a better term given it's a generic >concept. > >> What encryption scheme is being used here? > >XOR with the ECDH-calculated nonce is fine. (run the nonce though a hash >function first) > >-- >'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org >000000000000000075829f6169c79d7d5aaa20bfa8da6e9edb2393c4f8662ba0