From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WGnvr-0005cR-9t for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:15 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.148.113 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.148.113; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail148113.authsmtp.com; Received: from outmail148113.authsmtp.com ([62.13.148.113]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1WGnvq-0001T6-3W for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:15 +0000 Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt17.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s1LB67qu019207; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:07 GMT Received: from savin (76-10-178-109.dsl.teksavvy.com [76.10.178.109]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s1LB63lr080081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:05 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:06:02 -0500 From: Peter Todd To: Mike Hearn Message-ID: <20140221110602.GA29940@savin> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 29128383-9ae8-11e3-94fa-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdAMUHlAWAgsB AmIbWlVeUFt7WWU7 bAxPbAVDY01GQQRq WVdMSlVNFUsrAGBz AB1CEBl6dwVOeTBx Zk9rXD5ZVUV4fUV1 QVNdRDgOeGZhPWMC WUQOJh5UcAFPdx8U a1N6AHBDAzANdhES HhM4ODE3eDlSNilR RRkIIFQOdA4hHyI3 QBEEVR4oB0BNWz8y JhhuIFcYGEEWNBd6 KkMlWE4EMhkdaEVU G0ZGAyRZLlgHDyct AgJcUAYXFjEVXi5Y BhA0SgCA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 76.10.178.109/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. 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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1WGnvq-0001T6-3W Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Core trial balloon: splitting blockchain engine and wallet X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:15 -0000 --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 04:11:06PM +0530, Mike Hearn wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: >=20 > > RE "doesn't buy you anything" Today, when unlocked, plaintext > > private keys reside in the same address space as the blockchain engine > > (BCE). Process separation increases the difficulty of accessing key > > data from the BCE, even presuming a normal, no-chroot, same-uid, > > parent-child process relationship. The attack surface is clearly > > changed from "one buffer overflow can touch this data." > > > > Regardless, the split makes sense given existing modularity and coding > > directions. I wouldn't micro-focus on the "sandbox" word. > > I'm not sure it does really - typical C/C++ exploits let you run arbitrary > code, at which point you can quite easily ptrace the other process and do > whatever you want with it, or read /proc/pid/mem etc. But process > separation is certainly a prerequisite for sandboxing so I'm not arguing > against such a change, just pointing out that it requires some work to > really get the benefits. Also an SPV Bitcoin Core would obviously be of > tremendous utility all by itself ... The seccomp mechanism would work well here - it's a syscall whitelister, which makes ptrace useless, among other things. Used by Chrome as of v23 to sandbox the renderers. 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