From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WO8LW-0000Tz-FV for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:19:02 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from nl.grid.coop ([50.7.166.116]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1WO8LN-0008Mk-Uo for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:19:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nl.grid.coop with local; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:08:50 -0500 id 000000000006A341.000000005321D812.00002D27 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:08:50 -0500 From: Troy Benjegerdes To: Jeff Garzik Message-ID: <20140313160850.GW3180@nl.grid.coop> References: <52852C2D.9020103@gmail.com> <52853D8A.6010501@monetize.io> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1WO8LN-0008Mk-Uo Cc: Bitcoin Dev , Wendell Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:19:02 -0000 Every volatility bump messes up expectations of what a bitcoin is worth, so why are we bikeshedding uBTC vs mBTC? Just be done with it and do mBTC now, and plan uBTC for just after the next price spike to $10KUSD or whatever, and then plan on rolling back to mBTC when the price crashes from altcoin money supply inflation competition. On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 09:45:54AM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > > Based on this seeming consensus, BitPay was headed towards uBTC > internally, and hoped to coordinate messaging and rollout with others > in the community. Ah well, proceed apace, and Bitcoin Wallet will > catch up, I suppose. > > Multiple unit changes negatively impact users, but we are already there :/ > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Wladimir wrote: > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > >> > >> Resurrecting this topic. Bitcoin Wallet moved to mBTC several weeks > >> ago, which was disappointing -- it sounded like the consensus was > >> uBTC, and moving to uBTC later --which will happen-- may result in > >> additional user confusion, thanks to yet another decimal place > >> transition. > > > > > > I've kind of given up getting any consensus about this, or even getting > > people to care. > > > > Everyone agrees that a decimal shift would be good, but it's the same boring > > shed painting discussion every time on how many decimals. In the end nothing > > happens. > > > > I can't really blame Andreas for finally taking action and making the change > > to mBTC. People in the community are familiar with mBTC because some > > exchanges and price sites used mBTC (at least for a while when >$1000), also > > mBTC seems to be catching on on reddit etc. > > > > Moving to muBTC (which in itself would be better because it is the final > > unit change ever needed without hardfork) would require more coordinated > > education effort. > > > > Wladimir > > > > -- > Jeff Garzik > Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist > BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book > "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their > applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, > this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' hozer@hozed.org 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul grid.coop Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel, nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash