From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd1iB-0004sD-6D for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:15:59 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.148.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.148.101; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail148101.authsmtp.com; Received: from outmail148101.authsmtp.com ([62.13.148.101]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Wd1iA-0002tg-0o for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:15:59 +0000 Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt18.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s3NIFp13013614; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:15:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from savin (76-10-178-109.dsl.teksavvy.com [76.10.178.109]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s3NIFl3N069876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:15:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:15:45 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Justus Ranvier Message-ID: <20140423181545.GA5434@savin> References: <5357D394.7010908@gmail.com> <5357F634.2070300@gmail.com> <5357FD32.40200@gmail.com> <535800C1.9060604@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <535800C1.9060604@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 4cb67b1a-cb13-11e3-b802-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdAEUGUUGAgsB AmIbWl1eUVh7XGM7 bAxPbAVDY01GQQRq WVdMSlVNFUsrAmJ4 cEIdLBl0fg1BfjBx ZURnXz5fDxZ8chR8 E1MHR2wFeGZhPWMC AkhYdR5UcAFPdx8U a1UrBXRDAzANdhES HhM4ODE3eDlSNilR RRkIIFQOdA4gGT86 TRkZEH01EEQBQyI4 JgAnLVhUAEFZPkQp Olw8Q1sXPlc8CwtY ElAvSCZFO1AKRDFD X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 76.10.178.109/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. 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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1Wd1iA-0002tg-0o Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage Finney attacks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:15:59 -0000 --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 06:04:49PM +0000, Justus Ranvier wrote: > The integrity of Bitcoin is more important than you and your personal > preferences. >=20 >=20 > You don't have the right to decide which valid scripts in the > blockchain will be disregarded, and neither does anyone else. >=20 >=20 > If you don't like what's in the blockchain, you and everybody else can > work within the protocol to orphan the offending block. >=20 >=20 > But if you fail, then what's written in the blockchain is final and > the sole purpose of the network is to enforce it - deal with it. Agreed, although I think waxwing put it better: Bitcoin's most fundamental property is its neutrality. If it loses this, it is not Bitcoin. But I also agree with Gavin that the bitcoin-development email list is a perfectly good place to have these types of discussions. I myself have used it repeatedly to publish ideas specifically due to wide readership and multiple independent archives. > PS: We don't even know who runs BitUndo. They seem to have lots of > money to spend on web design - I wonder where it came from? Actually we do: Eric Springer See http://www.coindesk.com/double-spending-unconfirmed-transactions-concern-bi= tcoin/ https://github.com/espringe - joined Feb 11 2010 Anyway that's just twitter bootstrap or something; I hear the wizards can pump out a site like that in a few hours. --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 000000000000000004af1fb3b77c0f7ffe640982e440ac3eb085fa51d8207838 --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) iQGrBAEBCACVBQJTWANNXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDA3MDM2OGRmYTRhNGU5ODZjMDJjM2M1MWI3MTZkZDlkOTUy M2UzYzdjMWVjMWI5NWEvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQJIFAPaXwkfsh1wf+M43GJLue9IO889vj4L/lZJsa OMTe87GTCclvlGjRFRNXmuWMWj+7t3nJxM41bzi6pkHyIcKer49j6BVFmTc83ip4 qqGfE7VOC5t7Y7FtAZW+BLw+vpxYz9hxdvzpfcRSKVSpD37GAoGxe4QoeznRKwa+ bNfebXBtLiHO9U4c3wzRrBWuX3N+SLzJg57MyiFcpKYY7jT7OYNx6D+IVD51hF09 XU741EKuvhtT32TcCSb2Sblb3vZqJF7O/m2YW1zq/uGDi8ROf9PpxIU3amI9Bqrw Kk4WKB8XVI9/0zyrLHeEDzfFv3TGu+UNGs25rJJtJnI2Qj3rm3SWBbV6YROlXg== =Y9Ns -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY--