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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] ECDH in the payment protocol
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 11:27:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140509152715.GA12421@savin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANEZrP1m=-GWD5rLRe9vrx0JYKeKXghNw-a47ZbJTd1h3ngFww@mail.gmail.com>

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On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 05:15:52PM +0200, Mike Hearn wrote:
> >
> > Of course we quickly rejected the idea of depending solely on a
> > communications backchannel to retrieve funds. Any communications medium
> > that isn't the blockchain makes the payment non-atomic
> 
> 
> Yes, I know you rejected this design, which is why I'm now proposing it
> instead. I think you made the wrong design call, but at any rate, it's
> something reasonable people can disagree on.
> 
> Payment messages are sent directly to the merchant, who takes
> responsibility for broadcast. Once you delivered transactions to the
> merchant successfully, from your perspective the payment is made. A good
> store and forward network doesn't allow messages to go missing - email is
> an example of that (ignoring spam filters that explicitly want messages to
> go missing). It either gets delivered or it doesn't. So I'm not worried
> about atomicity.

Ah, you're still misunderstanding my point: You can get atomicity in the
worst-case where the communications medium fails *and* stealth payments
that use up no extra space in the blockchain. This gives you the best of
both worlds.

I haven't yet specified that mode of operation in the current draft
stealth address standard, however I do plan on adding it. Notably the
standard is designed to allow exactly that feature to be added in a
backwards compatible way - senders who don't implement that feature, or
choose not to use it, simply fall back to op-return.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-09 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-09 12:05 [Bitcoin-development] ECDH in the payment protocol Mike Hearn
2014-05-09 15:03 ` Peter Todd
2014-05-09 15:15   ` Mike Hearn
2014-05-09 15:27     ` Peter Todd [this message]
2014-05-09 15:34       ` Mike Hearn
2014-05-09 15:43         ` Peter Todd
2014-05-09 16:12           ` Mike Hearn
2014-05-09 15:50         ` Pieter Wuille
2014-05-09 18:13           ` Peter Todd
2014-05-09 18:38             ` Pieter Wuille
2014-05-12 13:07               ` Peter Todd
2014-05-12 22:40               ` Chris Pacia
2014-05-13 10:29                 ` Mike Hearn
2014-05-13  9:19   ` Jeff Garzik

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