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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] NODE_BLOOM service bit
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 05:11:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140606091134.GA23205@savin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAS2fgTsjZPxds+QHb+ceC_Thu4xsDFAEqXtxznCs_EbyLZepg@mail.gmail.com>

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On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 02:03:29AM -0700, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> wrote:
> > Advertising NODE BLOOM as a service sounds good.
> >
> > But the critique of bloom filters, I am not so sure prefix filters are
> > better.  Prefix filters offer questionable privacy tradeoffs in my opinion.
> > Same problem as with stealth address proposed use of prefixes.
> >
> > All for scalability, efficiency and decentralization but not ideally at the
> > expense of nuking privacy.  The effects on privacy are cumulative, and
> > affect everyone not just the user.  Same pattern of local decision, global
> > effect as with reused addresses.
> 
> The performance Bytecoin/Monero/Fantom/etc. systems that use ECDH
> addresses for all transactions seem to be suggesting that the prefixes
> aren't really needed.
> 
> At least with current system rules doing the ECDH for each transaction
> seems pretty reasonable.

Yup. Obelisk's indexing is sufficiently fast that they hadn't even
bothered making Dark Wallet store transaction information between
sessions until recently. Prefix brute-forcing isn't yet implemented,
although prefix filters is being implemented for lookups in general. (at
the very least it gives the server operators some valuable plausible
deniability)

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-06  9:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-06  8:19 [Bitcoin-development] NODE_BLOOM service bit Peter Todd
2014-06-06  8:48 ` Adam Back
2014-06-06  9:03   ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-06-06  9:11     ` Peter Todd [this message]
2014-06-06  9:04   ` Peter Todd
2014-06-06 10:45     ` Adam Back
2014-06-06 16:46       ` [Bitcoin-development] Bloom bait Peter Todd
2014-06-06 16:58         ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-06-06 17:05           ` Peter Todd
2014-06-06 17:10             ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-06-06 17:45               ` Peter Todd
2014-06-07 11:22                 ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-07 19:44                   ` Alan Reiner
2014-06-08 21:45                     ` Peter Todd
2014-06-10 10:41                       ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-08 21:35                   ` Peter Todd
2014-06-10 10:38                     ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-10 13:02                       ` Jeff Garzik
2014-06-10 17:08                       ` Peter Todd
2014-06-11  8:57                         ` Mike Hearn

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