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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] [BIP draft] CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY - Prevent a txout from being spent until an expiration time
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 23:33:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141009063331.GA16898@muck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAS2fgRmuyK_k4UU+3Lufaq7=j7wR_MXV1PKeb2HqRRa7VX=pQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 06:28:19AM +0000, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> wrote:
> > I think you can do everything with the existing script level nlocktime
> > in some kind of turing completeness sense (maybe); but there is a
> > complexity cost that often you have to resort to extra dependent
> > transaction(s) (and work-around malleability until that is fully
> > fixed) just to get the effect.
> 
> Right, ... moreover, even with all the malleability fixes, they only
> work if you refrain from using certain features (e.g. cannot do an
> anyone-can-pay) and we cannot be completely sure all accidental
> vectors for malleability are gone (we've been unable to construct a
> proof that our strengthening of ECDSA turns it into a strong
> signature, though it seems likely).
> 
> Having the locktime control in a scriptPubKey sidesteps all those
> limitations and simplifies protocols (e.g. not requiring some three
> step state machine and a bunch of risky validation code to be sure a
> refund you receive is actually workable).

Speaking of, can anyone think of an example of a complex transaction
use-case that is affected by malleability which can't be fixed by
CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY? I'm sure they exist, but I'm scratching my head
trying to think of a good example.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-09  6:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-01 13:08 [Bitcoin-development] [BIP draft] CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY - Prevent a txout from being spent until an expiration time Peter Todd
2014-10-01 15:01 ` Gavin Andresen
2014-10-02  1:06   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-01 15:29 ` Sergio Lerner
2014-10-01 17:06   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-01 18:23 ` Luke Dashjr
2014-10-01 20:58   ` Gavin Andresen
2014-10-01 21:04     ` Alan Reiner
2014-10-01 21:34       ` Gavin Andresen
2014-10-02  0:12         ` Peter Todd
2014-10-02  0:05   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-02  0:55     ` Luke Dashjr
2014-10-02  1:09       ` Peter Todd
2014-10-02 15:05         ` Flavien Charlon
2014-10-03 14:28           ` Matt Whitlock
2014-10-03 14:30             ` Matt Whitlock
2014-10-03 16:17             ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-10-03 17:50             ` Luke Dashjr
2014-10-03 20:58               ` Mike Hearn
2014-10-03 23:12                 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-10-04  0:38                   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-04 12:58                     ` Mike Hearn
2014-10-07 15:50                       ` Gavin Andresen
2014-10-07 16:08                         ` Mike Hearn
2014-10-08 10:26                           ` Wladimir
2014-10-09  3:13                             ` Alan Reiner
2014-10-09  6:14                               ` Adam Back
2014-10-09  6:28                                 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-10-09  6:33                                   ` Peter Todd [this message]
2014-10-09  6:40                                     ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-10-08  4:07                         ` Tom Harding
2014-10-08 10:15                           ` Mike Hearn
2015-03-16 22:22 ` [Bitcoin-development] Relative CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (was CLTV proposal) Matt Corallo
2015-03-19 17:39   ` Zooko Wilcox-OHearn
2015-04-21  7:59   ` Peter Todd
2015-04-26 11:35     ` Jorge Timón
2015-04-26 12:20       ` Jorge Timón
2015-04-27 19:35         ` Peter Todd
2015-04-28  7:44           ` Jorge Timón
2015-05-04  2:15     ` Matt Corallo
2015-05-04 11:24       ` Jorge Timón
2015-05-05  0:41         ` Btc Drak
2015-05-05 19:19           ` Jorge Timón
2015-05-05 20:38         ` Tier Nolan
2015-05-06  7:37           ` Jorge Timón
2015-05-06 22:09             ` Tier Nolan

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