From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP62 and future script upgrades
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 15:07:44 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141104200744.GA16945@savin.petertodd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPg+sBh=YDQhwNRWjhOQtWVPMZ0+D0MnprZK+vMjsuC-=RxAQA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 12:00:43PM -0800, Pieter Wuille wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote:
> >> On another topic, I'm skeptical of the choice of nVersion==3 - we'll
> >> likely end up doing more block.nVersion increases in the future, and
> >> there's no reason to think they'll have anything to do with
> >> transactions. No sense creating a rule that'll be so quickly broken.
> >
> > Moderately agreed.
> >
> > Earlier in BIP 62 lifetime, I had commented on ambiguity that arose
> > from bumping tx version simply because we were bumping block version.
> > The ambiguity was corrected, but IMO remains symptomatic of potential
> > problems and confusion down the road.
> >
> > Though I ACK'd the change, my general preference remains to disconnect
> > TX and block version.
>
> I prefer to see consensus rules as one set of rules (especially
> because they only really apply to blocks - the part for lone
> transactions is just policy), and thus have a single numbering. Still,
> I have no strong opinion about it and have now heard 3 'moderately
> against' comments. I'm fine with using nVersion==2 for transactions.
Keep in mind that we may even have a circumstance where we need to
introduce *two* different new tx version numbers in a single soft-fork,
say because we find an exploit that has two different fixes, each of
which breaks something.
I don't think we have any certainty how new features will be added in
the future - just look at how we only recently realised new opcodes
won't be associated with tx version number bumps - so I'm loath to setup
expectations.
Besides, transactions can certainly be verified for correctness in a
stand-alone fashion outside a block; CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY was
specifically designed so that verifying scripts containing it could be
done in a self-contained manner only referencing the transaction the
script was within.
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Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-04 13:29 [Bitcoin-development] BIP62 and future script upgrades Pieter Wuille
2014-11-04 13:38 ` Mike Hearn
2014-11-04 13:50 ` Pieter Wuille
2014-11-04 14:01 ` Gavin Andresen
2014-11-04 19:13 ` Peter Todd
2014-11-04 19:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-11-04 20:00 ` Pieter Wuille
2014-11-04 20:07 ` Peter Todd [this message]
2014-11-05 7:53 ` Pieter Wuille
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