From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0NlS-0005WR-JV for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:00:10 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.149.58 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.149.58; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail149058.authsmtp.co.uk; Received: from outmail149058.authsmtp.co.uk ([62.13.149.58]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Y0NlQ-00072T-KT for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:00:10 +0000 Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt14.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id sBF502Jo097882; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:00:02 GMT Received: from savin.petertodd.org (75-119-251-161.dsl.teksavvy.com [75.119.251.161]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id sBF4xwUu035820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:00:01 GMT Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:59:58 -0500 From: Peter Todd To: odinn Message-ID: <20141215045958.GD23859@savin.petertodd.org> References: <20141212090551.GA8259@muck> <548AF08E.6080408@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rqzD5py0kzyFAOWN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <548AF08E.6080408@riseup.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 39ccbf9e-8417-11e4-9f74-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdwcUHFAXAgsB AmIbW1FeUF17WWI7 bA9PbARUfEhLXhtr VklWR1pVCwQmQm53 AlZZN1xydABOen4+ Yk9jWj5YVRcpJxB0 F1NcEWwBeGZhPWQC WRZfcx5UcAFPdx8U a1N6AHBDAzANdhES HhM4ODE3eDlSNilR RRkIIFQOdA4wEyIg RhYNVSkvEAUfSi40 NRBuMUIGFUceMll6 Nl1DEWoCNBgcTwpQ WnlQCitYLFAdRi0t ZQAA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 75.119.251.161/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1Y0NlQ-00072T-KT Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Setting the record straight on Proof-of-Publication X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:00:10 -0000 --rqzD5py0kzyFAOWN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 01:41:34PM +0000, odinn wrote: > Peter... It kind of sounds to me that (as fine of a position paper as > this is) on _certain_ points, you're falling prey to the "but it's > inefficient, but it's a scamcoin, but luke-jr told me so" argument... I prefer to make robust arguments; if I can start with accepting that 95% of what my opponents say is true, yet still end up being correct, all the better! > I think the Mastercoin devs are doing fine work and I consider the > zerocash devs to have developed (in v2, mint and pour) to have > developed something that will really turn the world on its ear, but > what do I know? Nothing. Nothing at all. My personal opinion is that what Mastercoin has started will turn the world on its ear, but I'd be surprised if the succesful implementations of the underlying ideas come from that team. But there's nothing surprising about that - when was the last time you used Netscape Navigator, let alone NCSA Mosaic? --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 00000000000000000681f4e5c84bc0bf7e6c5db8673eef225da652fbb785a0de --rqzD5py0kzyFAOWN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGrBAEBCACVBQJUjmrKXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwNjgxZjRlNWM4NGJjMGJmN2U2YzVkYjg2NzNlZWYyMjVk YTY1MmZiYjc4NWEwZGUvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQJIFAPaXwkfvWywf9G0exmp8o7G8l1smOkb9GH3AN uZUSyH+hCwjhQBFcp18RxRcmx7c6xKFz2ueS7ezBYdDZV0n5hfWQz+g0tvk2JmQz D3NMZlHTGAI4SkpW9cJYxpwrrXo2+qPcymEVFjylbMP71p/mqHgdSPGEZhb8BxmD APKQQyS+0gcx7nT4sHR3DGSHt725RQQQD7t6TNi0t8YbN11YjnuOgqaVAYJDqkmC VSIHV12g5RcghL1d4wIQ/3PR1RGER+8P86AIRhsGJ7wnA17JCa42butqHSklJvU5 /nmuWZAjNuV6d+ni6+5r9ozxii7w+5LbD+coXVli+WbEk69GVa6Z5LuknMGJ7A== =j8m4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rqzD5py0kzyFAOWN--