From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YLzhZ-0001nM-3g for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:45:29 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.149.78 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.149.78; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail149078.authsmtp.net; Received: from outmail149078.authsmtp.net ([62.13.149.78]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1YLzhX-0006dQ-Pi for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:45:29 +0000 Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt17.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t1CJjLHk084857; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:45:21 GMT Received: from savin.petertodd.org (75-119-251-161.dsl.teksavvy.com [75.119.251.161]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t1CJjIWl031089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:45:20 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:45:17 -0500 From: Peter Todd To: Justus Ranvier Message-ID: <20150212194517.GA20964@savin.petertodd.org> References: <356E7F6E-300A-4127-9885-2183FB1DE447@gmail.com> <54DCECE4.3020802@riseup.net> <54DCFBB5.3080202@gmail.com> <54DD003E.2060508@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="azLHFNyN32YCQGCU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54DD003E.2060508@riseup.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: adcabd05-b2ef-11e4-b396-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdwAUHlAWAgsB AmMbWl1eVFh7W2I7 bA9PbARUfEhLXhtr VklWR1pVCwQmRR1y fERnNUVydARGcHc+ bEdjWj4KCBcrJxJ9 R1MGFzhQeGZhPWQC AkNRcR5UcAFPdx8U a1UrBXRDAzANdhES HhM4ODE3eDlSNilR RRkIIFQOdA4REyY4 ThsPWD8+WEMISm0t d1p/chhEBk1NWgAA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 75.119.251.161/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Headers-End: 1YLzhX-0006dQ-Pi Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:45:29 -0000 --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:34:22PM +0000, Justus Ranvier wrote: > In addition, I'll add that there is an assumption that honest actors > can not alter their behavior in response to changing conditions. >=20 > Since scorched-earth solutions to problems are apparently acceptable > now, what would stop more honest node operators from patching their > nodes to blacklist any peer that relays replace-by-fee transactions, > and maybe even publish an IP address list of those peers? None of those solutions are compatible with decentralized networks for a lot of reasons. Given the inability to prevent sybil attacks your suggestions lead to people being unfairly punished for poor connectivity that may be entirely out of their control. They also make maintaining a Bitcoin node and mining the blockchain require a significant amount of hands on maintenance, again incompatible with a decentralized system. --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 00000000000000000a1fb2fd17f5d8735a8a0e7aae841c95a12e82b934c4ac92 --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGrBAEBCACVBQJU3QLJXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwYTFmYjJmZDE3ZjVkODczNWE4YTBlN2FhZTg0MWM5NWEx MmU4MmI5MzRjNGFjOTIvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQJIFAPaXwkfsekQgAgVS24KqyBzxyRMpXo3A3jHHD pd2L1iWhK1mKE6XkhmepktiywVfxGwUW/7c6tZp6373f1EylEVDFU4iCMh1iLz5L UpM42R72esNC7XzxKu4vC1b/6p52LiW7KxlNULnQOcbIVF8sJnxnpKjhZ/8PxH3M TqTxPs/oo8fY19Svq4mJ5yPDnNM2Ur8gtr/pPjA8G0+4N5BCqawXFMtmCYwkQ1/o HXUr9EFXa1ZuoM4P9yJN+BpjrUvIekC1JyeRhzCfZkOL0pgqFJpFMwXDaOrXudyT WUfgZJQrd3DPq04Y3MTMFZta1wMHO4EkRrAvE6GHnQ70qf3NPapLPH1iTp27yw== =v8BQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU--