From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YPYf2-00062E-0c for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:41:36 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.149.75 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.149.75; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail149075.authsmtp.net; Received: from outmail149075.authsmtp.net ([62.13.149.75]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1YPYf0-0005Vj-2J for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:41:35 +0000 Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt16.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t1MFfRVr040357; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:41:27 GMT Received: from savin.petertodd.org (75-119-251-161.dsl.teksavvy.com [75.119.251.161]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t1MFfNSY033615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:41:25 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:41:22 -0500 From: Peter Todd To: joliver@airmail.cc Message-ID: <20150222154122.GA14930@savin.petertodd.org> References: <20150222123428.GA6570@savin.petertodd.org> <20150222143353.GA32621@savin.petertodd.org> <48c47e2a2c7916e7bf63f2219a9aeb72@airmail.cc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48c47e2a2c7916e7bf63f2219a9aeb72@airmail.cc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 42e945e9-baa9-11e4-b396-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdAAUHlAWAgsB AmMbWlFeVFx7W2U7 bA9PbARUfEhLXhtr VklWR1pVCwQmRR18 cEhgMXBydAZAeXs+ ZEZrVnMVWEYvfEJ4 F0dJRzxXbHphaTUb TRJbfgVJcANIexZF O1F6ACIKLwdSbGoL NQ4vNDcwO3BTJTpY RgYVKF8UXXNDFzog SgoEFCkiVVUfQD00 NBUiYlkEAAMQNA03 MF0sQxoEOhwfEW8W E0ZQCitUYkIZSiwn RUNgUBxWCjBFRS5X D1giM1pGDzEaRHIe XRMDEwsEV2It X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 75.119.251.161/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. 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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1YPYf0-0005Vj-2J Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] alternate proposal opt-in miner takes double-spend (Re: replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:41:36 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 03:18:05PM +0000, joliver@airmail.cc wrote: > > Indeed, which is why I wrote some easy-to-use and highly effective=20 > > tools > > to pull off double-spends and made sure to publicise them and their > > effectiveness widely. They've had their desired effect and very few > > people are relying on unconfirmed transactions anymore. >=20 > You mean you wrote a bunch of FUD about zeroconf transactions while=20 > working for companies like Coinbase and GreenAddress that were trying to= =20 > sell 100% centralized solutions? Lets just be clear on this. You lot spend so much time trying to claim I'm working for people I'm not that I have a bad feeling I'm going to end up having to explain what an internet troll is to "friendly" Revenue Canada tax auditor... > I and many other people tried your replace-by-fee tools and found out=20 > that they worked **maybe** 1-2% of the time. You claimed 95% success=20 > rates. That tool was intentionally shipped with unclear instructions and nearly all the double-spend strategies turned off by default; you can easily increase that number with a little understanding. > > As for the > > remaining, next week alone I'll be volunteering one or two hours of my > > consulting time to discuss solutions with a team doing person-to-person > > trading for instance. >=20 > A "team" >=20 > You mean a **Company**? We don't need yet another 100% centralized=20 > LocalBitcoins snooping on our transactions. 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