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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: "Raystonn ." <raystonn@hotmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	"Patrick Mccorry \(PGR\)" <patrick.mccorry@newcastle.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] New attack identified and potential solution	described: Dropped-transaction spam attack against the block	size limit
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 17:44:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150608214443.GC19826@muck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <COL131-DS61BB9B5776DE65077ED0ACDBF0@phx.gbl>

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On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 02:33:54PM -0700, Raystonn . wrote:
> > the attack would be expensive.
> 
> For attacks being waged to destroy Bitcoin by filling all blocks with spam transactions, the attack succeeds when the attacker is well funded.  This gives well-funded private and/or public entities the means to destroy Bitcoin if they desire.  This is only true after the block size limit was implemented.  Without the block size limit, the spam doesn’t harm Bitcoin.  It simply enriches miners at the cost of the spammers, which is a nicely antifragile quality.

There will always be a blocksize limit based on technological
considerations - the network has a finite bandwidth limit.

Without a blocksize limit the attacker would just flood the network
until the bandwidth usage became so great that consensus would fail,
rendering Bitcoin both worthless, and insecure.

The worst an attacker flooding the network with transactions with a
blocksize limit can do is raise costs, without harming security. Keep in
mind, that at some point it'd be cheaper to just 51% attack the network.
Based on the current block subsidy of 25BTC/MB that's at the point where
transaction fees are 25mBTC/KB, which corresponds to <$2/tx fees - not
that cheap, but still quite affordable for a large percentage of
Bitcoin's users right now. And that's the *absolute worst-case* attack
possible.

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-08 21:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-08  0:36 [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Experiment Underway Tom Harding
2015-06-08 20:07 ` [Bitcoin-development] New attack identified and potential solution described: Dropped-transaction spam attack against the block size limit Raystonn .
     [not found]   ` <AD4A025F-D782-4094-9CBC-EBEF0DD04838@newcastle.ac.uk>
2015-06-08 21:14     ` Raystonn .
2015-06-08 21:33       ` Peter Todd
2015-06-08 21:40         ` [Bitcoin-development] New attack identified and potential solution described: Dropped-transaction spam attack against the blocksize limit Raystonn .
     [not found]         ` <4A74E0B9-869E-448A-BFC7-7FD2F50F142F@newcastle.ac.uk>
2015-06-08 22:26           ` [Bitcoin-development] New attack identified and potential solution described: Dropped-transaction spam attack against the block size limit Peter Todd
     [not found]       ` <7E7DF414-6DDB-48A6-9199-D6883209B67D@newcastle.ac.uk>
2015-06-08 21:33         ` Raystonn .
2015-06-08 21:44           ` Peter Todd [this message]
2015-06-08 22:01             ` [Bitcoin-development] New attack identified and potential solution described: Dropped-transaction spam attack against the blocksize limit Raystonn .
2015-06-08 22:07               ` Btc Drak
2015-06-08 22:10                 ` Raystonn .
2015-06-08 22:18               ` Peter Todd
2015-06-08 22:46                 ` Raystonn .
2015-06-08 22:06             ` [Bitcoin-development] New attack identified and potential solution described: Dropped-transaction spam attack against the block size limit Bob McElrath
2015-06-08 22:28               ` Peter Todd
2015-06-09  9:33   ` Loi Luu
2015-06-09 13:36     ` Gavin Andresen
2015-06-09 14:18       ` Tier Nolan
2015-06-09 17:52       ` Raystonn .
2015-06-09 18:25         ` Gavin Andresen
2015-06-09 19:03           ` Raystonn .
2015-06-20  3:49             ` David Vorick

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