From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z2l0H-0008TP-Gj for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:45:33 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from nl.grid.coop ([50.7.166.116]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Z2l0F-0000y0-Sq for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:45:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nl.grid.coop with local; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 13:02:56 -0500 id 00000000000613CD.0000000055787BD0.000036BD Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 13:02:56 -0500 From: Troy Benjegerdes To: Andy Schroder Message-ID: <20150610180256.GN27932@nl.grid.coop> References: <1943127.DBnVxmfOIh@1337h4x0r> <20150610093556.GA11409@amethyst.visucore.com> <557869F9.8030109@AndySchroder.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <557869F9.8030109@AndySchroder.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1Z2l0F-0000y0-Sq Cc: Eric Stetson , bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:45:33 -0000 I'll sponsor it, if we agree to implement a HashCash spam filter in the next 6 months. I've run mail servers for $DAYJOB for 5 or so years, and I've run my own personal server for the last 14. Since Bitcoin is a perfectly good HashCash system, I'm thinking a http://www.courier-mta.org/courierfilter.html filter plugin that checks to ensure that the required bitcoin fee has been paid, or better yet included in the message in some standard form. I'd like to have several other people with linux admin experience also agree to host live mirrors of the list, which could be switched over by whomever controls the relevant MX records for the mail list. What do you think a reasonable per-message fee should be, such that a couple of independent admins can reasonably expect to be able to pay $250/month each for their time and server hosting/bandwidth costs? I also think that anyone who's contributed more than say 10 or 15 commits to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors should be excluded from the pay-with-bitcoin filter, as they have paid with code. The rest of us should be paying to distribute and archive their efforts. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:46:49PM -0400, Andy Schroder wrote: > Regarding changing the e-mail list provider. Is anyone interested in > sponsoring it? There are non-free options, but it may be difficult to > always ensure the fee is being paid to the provider. I think finding an > agreeable free solution may have been the issue before? I've also > thought of trying to make a pay per message or byte solution (and this > cost could be dynamic based upon the number of current mailing list > subscribers). This could solve the who pays problem (the sender pays), > as well as motivate people to be more concise and clear with their > messages, and at the same time limit spam. > > > > Any thoughts? > > Andy Schroder > > On 06/10/2015 05:35 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:25:12AM +0200, xor wrote: > >> http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-software-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/ > > All our downloads (even old ones) have recently been deleted from sourceforge, for this reason. They haven't been mentioned in Bitcon Core release announcements for a long time. > > > > No opinion on the mailing list. Though I think it's less urgent. The issue of moving the mailinglist has come up before a few times and people can't agree where to move to. > > > > Wladimir > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' hozer@hozed.org 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul grid.coop Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel, nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash