From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z2ymC-0003MD-1E for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:27:56 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.212.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.178; envelope-from=laanwj@gmail.com; helo=mail-wi0-f178.google.com; Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com ([209.85.212.178]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z2ymA-00037A-V2 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:27:56 +0000 Received: by wiwd19 with SMTP id d19so69447272wiw.0 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.99.166 with SMTP id er6mr17498278wib.58.1434014868955; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 02:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amethyst.visucore.com (dhcp-089-098-016-041.chello.nl. [89.98.16.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h1sm11898609wiz.6.2015.06.11.02.27.47 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jun 2015 02:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:27:46 +0200 From: "Wladimir J. van der Laan" To: s7r Message-ID: <20150611092744.GA2167@amethyst.visucore.com> References: <1943127.DBnVxmfOIh@1337h4x0r> <20150610093556.GA11409@amethyst.visucore.com> <557869F9.8030109@AndySchroder.com> <557883A7.7030906@sky-ip.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <557883A7.7030906@sky-ip.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (laanwj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z2ymA-00037A-V2 Cc: Andy Schroder , bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:27:56 -0000 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 09:36:23PM +0300, s7r wrote: > The mail list is public, so it's not like the data on it is somehow > sensitive. Sourcefoge is fine, it has a nice web UI where you can browse > the message and sort/order them as you want, etc. > > Why would you want to move to a paid solution? And why would you want > users to have to pay per message? This is the worst idea ever from my > point of view. We want to encourage people to join the community, run > full nodes, ask questions, come with solutions, ideas for improvements > and so on. Everyone should read and write and contribute as much as > possible with ideas in debates. You never know who can have bright ideas > in some contexts. > > Bottom line is so far sourceforge handles the mail lists just fine. I > don't see a single advantage another mail list provider / system could > offer, except some headache and extra work for migration. The software > distribution via sourcefoge was cancelled for obvious reasons which I > fully understand and agree to, but it has nothing to do with the mail > lists. We have way more important things to brainstorm about. I completely agree here. I'm not against migration if a much better option comes along, but e.g. paying for another provider sounds like nonsense when sourceforge does this for free (with some minor annoyances - other providers will have their own). Paying per message is far-fetched, something that could work in economic theory with perfectly spherical people in their perfectly efficient market. In practice the likely result would be a mailing list only used for advertisement and promotion, and technical discussion and release announcements would disappear. BTW for people that *don't* like sourceforge's web archive UI there are some other options via gmane: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel Wladimir