From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z3TpA-0005uH-LC for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:37:04 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.148.161 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.148.161; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail148161.authsmtp.com; Received: from outmail148161.authsmtp.com ([62.13.148.161]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Z3Tp9-00048f-GX for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:37:04 +0000 Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt15.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5CIasxE082057; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 19:36:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from muck ([85.255.235.202]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5CIajPC077517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 12 Jun 2015 19:36:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 19:36:45 +0100 From: Peter Todd To: Matt Whitlock Message-ID: <20150612183645.GF19199@muck> References: <20150612181153.GB19199@muck> <1466351.XXvDcu7nzO@crushinator> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bO4vSxwwZtUjUWHo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1466351.XXvDcu7nzO@crushinator> X-Server-Quench: fdfa59d7-1131-11e5-9f74-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdwAUEkAaAgsB AmMbWl1eU1t7XGI7 Yw9PbwBYfEhNWhto UEpWR1pVCwQmRRly f09EMmpycAJDeXk+ bE5gXj4NCBIrcE8p RVNVFG4HeGZhPWUC WRZfcx5UcAFPdx8U a1N6AHBDAzANdhES HhM4ODE3eDlSNilR RRkIIFQOdA42BTMm Dw4FAThnHEtNTSE0 JB89K0wRVFoRKEIv PltpV18VKHc8 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 85.255.235.202/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1Z3Tp9-00048f-GX Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] User vote in blocksize through fees X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:37:04 -0000 --bO4vSxwwZtUjUWHo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 02:26:20PM -0400, Matt Whitlock wrote: > On Friday, 12 June 2015, at 11:20 am, Mark Friedenbach wrote: > > Peter it's not clear to me that your described protocol is free of miner > > influence over the vote, by artificially generating transactions which = they > > claim in their own blocks >=20 > Miners could fill their blocks with garbage transactions that agree with = their vote, but this wouldn't bring them any real income, as they'd be payi= ng their own money as fees to themselves. To get real income, miners would = have to vote in accordance with real users. Exactly. I very explicitly am proposing that we consider giving users a mechanism to pay for votes to give them a way to directly influence the outcome. --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 0000000000000000127ab1d576dc851f374424f1269c4700ccaba2c42d97e778 --bO4vSxwwZtUjUWHo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGrBAEBCACVBQJVeya7XhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAxMjdhYjFkNTc2ZGM4NTFmMzc0NDI0ZjEyNjljNDcwMGNj YWJhMmM0MmQ5N2U3NzgvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQwIXyHOf0udw2TAf/T5ClwGgcx8qIUwCc0NBghZx+ XsWPKSppKZFV/M/vHN9c87OG9aS9B/hil9s7GOkbnJ3ejwnF/JC6PpDoujDqRzB6 klu6l97o+S3hwx8tfh+ZD1rSpNAiKNzJm8BV60C+PsGl7muPCJj2zYIUbZXXzhjG INIHTwZtr4VKg4zZFi9v0tENZaumOhdnzaYGCuRnCUdVhNQ+4IJ/s98U18v2ElXW IjsRTGYRn+rWLGApIO7873jvlWJtaz84AEqN0t/S3Oiq1IKMm7IvdAF0qM+3CBaW whapipmBSKIi1iokQVdlJxIJ4tuYmu4WMggTGgQJA0FG3K+9nnr/Kbx1zHswnw== =v87y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bO4vSxwwZtUjUWHo--