From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z3Y8D-0003c9-QH for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 23:13:01 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of dashjr.org designates 85.234.147.28 as permitted sender) client-ip=85.234.147.28; envelope-from=luke@dashjr.org; helo=zinan.dashjr.org; Received: from 85-234-147-28.static.as29550.net ([85.234.147.28] helo=zinan.dashjr.org) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Z3Y8C-0006u9-Jy for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 23:13:01 +0000 Received: from ishibashi.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:5:265:61b6:56a6:b03d:28d6]) (Authenticated sender: luke-jr) by zinan.dashjr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E5F51083688; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 23:11:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Hashcash: 1:25:150612:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net::udOi+/rGD8LDpEc=:amxZj X-Hashcash: 1:25:150612:vincent.truong@procabiak.com::qTncfmSgbu60wEEV:/fIM X-Hashcash: 1:25:150612:elombrozo@gmail.com::IDdyOk+Ss82jgnxp:bd4uS From: Luke Dashjr To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 23:11:43 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.14.41-gentoo; KDE/4.14.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <20150612181153.GB19199@muck> In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E463 A93F 5F31 17EE DE6C 7316 BD02 9424 21F4 889F X-PGP-Key-ID: BD02942421F4889F X-PGP-Keyserver: hkp://pgp.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201506122311.44549.luke@dashjr.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1Z3Y8C-0006u9-Jy Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] User vote in blocksize through fees X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 23:13:01 -0000 On Friday, June 12, 2015 11:01:02 PM Vincent Truong wrote: > RE: miner economics > Miners who have an agenda can forego fees to achieve it and create their > own txns if it is completely txn/user driven. It is better to just count > miners votes and let the user votes be their backing. Just simplify this? Allow a miner to have their block counted as votes for X provided not a single transaction they include votes against it. Then miners can explicitly forego the fees of opposing transactions without having to bloat blocks. Luke