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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:14:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150817191440.GA20299@muck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAS2fgT1VxNCaVy=xqU5SCNn_f1k071V26wy5-v2t7qxHW6=3A@mail.gmail.com>

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 05:18:02PM +0000, Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > To avoid such discussions.
> 
> You seem to be assuming that there is specific reason to believe the
> message is unauthentic.  This is not the case.
> 
> Contrary to other poster's claims, if the message had been PGP signed
> that might, in fact, have arguably been weak evidence that it was
> unauthentic: no message from the system's creator that I (or
> apparently anyone) was aware of was ever signed with that key.

<snip>

> A focus on the content is especially relevant because one of the core
> messages in the content is a request to eschew arguments from
> authority; which is perhaps the greatest challenge here: How can the
> founder of a system speak up to ask people to reject that kind of
> argument without implicitly endorsing that approach through their own
> act?

Something I only recently realised is that Satoshi's apparent policy(1)
of never making any cryptographically secure signatures to link together
his posts - or indeed any communication at all - fits well with the
avoidance of creating a central authority figure. Currently every single
thing Satoshi ever apparently wrote can only be linked together by
trusting third parties - email archives could have been hacked,
bitcointalk might have fake messages, etc. Obviously in practice we have
reasonable assurance that the same person or group was behind most of
the messages we now consider to be "from Satoshi", but ultimately
strictly speaking we can only take each message individually, for the
arguments contained within.

As you've often said, the biggest achievement by Satoshi in the creation
of Bitcoin was to create a system where the identity of the creator is a
mere historical footnote. We can probably go further, and state that
while doing so, Satoshi quite counter-intuitively took steps to avoid
even creating a pseudoanonymous identity.


1) "Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?",
   Peter Todd, Sept 13, 2014, Bitcoin-development mailing list,
   http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-September/006606.html

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-17 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-15 17:43 [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork Satoshi Nakamoto
2015-08-15 19:08 ` Laszlo Hanyecz
2015-08-15 19:10 ` jl2012
2015-08-17 11:40 ` Oliver Egginger
2015-08-17 11:44   ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-17 11:51     ` Oliver Egginger
2015-08-17 16:32       ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-17 17:01         ` Oliver Egginger
2015-08-17 17:15           ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-17 17:30             ` Btc Drak
2015-08-17 17:18       ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-08-17 19:14         ` Peter Todd [this message]
2015-08-17 17:28   ` Jeff Garzik
2015-08-17 19:03   ` Warren Togami Jr.
2015-08-17 20:37     ` Oliver Egginger
2015-08-18  5:16       ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-08-18  9:15       ` Warren Togami Jr.
2015-08-18 11:52         ` Micha Bailey
2015-08-18 18:57         ` Oliver Egginger
2015-08-18 20:59           ` Anon Moto
2015-08-19  1:03             ` Sergio Demian Lerner
2015-08-17 19:02 ` Anon Moto
2015-08-17 19:40   ` Marcel Jamin
2015-08-17 19:16 ` Hector Chu
2015-08-17 19:28   ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-08-17 19:39     ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-17 21:29 ` [bitcoin-dev] Incentives to run full nodes Peter Todd
2015-08-17 21:44   ` Chris Pacia
2015-08-18  0:20     ` Joseph Poon
2015-08-19  5:21     ` odinn
2015-10-04  6:46       ` odinn
2015-10-04  6:59         ` odinn
2015-08-19  2:54 ` [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork odinn
2015-08-19  2:59   ` Angel Leon
2015-08-17 20:24 Theo Chino
2015-08-18  4:56 ` Dave Scotese
2015-08-19  8:25 Btc Drak
2015-08-19 16:53 Adam Back
2015-08-19 17:22 ` Simon Liu
2015-08-19 18:13   ` Peter Todd
2015-08-19 23:37     ` Simon Liu
2015-08-19 17:28 ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-19 17:32 ` Btc Drak
2015-08-19 18:20   ` Peter Todd
2015-08-19 19:15     ` Btc Drak
2015-08-19 19:32       ` odinn
2015-08-19 19:48         ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-08-19 19:58           ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-19 20:04             ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-08-19 22:00               ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-19 23:07                 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-08-19 23:27                   ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-19 23:56                     ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-20  1:00                       ` GC
2015-08-20  1:17                         ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-20  0:08                     ` Eric Voskuil
2015-08-19 18:22   ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-19 19:12 ` Santino Napolitano
2015-08-19 19:28   ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-08-20  9:00 ` Mike Hearn
2015-08-20  9:13   ` Peter Todd
2015-08-21  3:01     ` odinn

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