From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <pete@petertodd.org> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BCD183D for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:13:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail148100.authsmtp.co.uk (outmail148100.authsmtp.co.uk [62.13.148.100]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5597C1C2 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt15.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t7K9DfwI031850; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:13:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from muck ([72.143.234.218]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t7K9DZBX065595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:13:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 02:13:34 -0700 From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> To: Mike Hearn <hearn@vinumeris.com> Message-ID: <20150820091334.GA5448@muck> References: <CALqxMTFkgGx0FxMiZ77inOZSs_+TQ88Wpj-q-c12COkO9tP4gQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+w+GKTXAvq76sX4ttiYHhRcGp1MOynGAovYs8Dq1A1Q=9K4KQ@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <CA+w+GKTXAvq76sX4ttiYHhRcGp1MOynGAovYs8Dq1A1Q=9K4KQ@mail.gmail.com> X-Server-Quench: bf4a89f0-471b-11e5-b398-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdAIUGUATAgsB AmMbWlReUV57XWM7 bAhPbAFefEhNWxto UUBWR1pVCwQmRRt6 D2p0IHFycQBDcXs+ ZEdjV3YVDhJ+JE50 FE5JEWoHN3phaTUa TRJbfgtJcANIexZF O1F6ACIKLwdSbGoL FQ4vNDcwO3BTJTpg CisMMVkVQEBDLgJ0 aRcYHl0A X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 72.143.234.218/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:13:47 -0000 --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:00:14AM +0200, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > > > It is just that no one else is reckless enough to bypass the review pro= cess >=20 >=20 > I keep seeing this notion crop up. >=20 > I want to kill this idea right now: >=20 > - There were months of public discussion leading to up the authoring of > BIP 101, both on this mailing list and elsewhere. >=20 > - BIP 101 was submitted for review via the normal process. Jeff Garzik > specifically called Gavin out on Twitter and thanked him for following= the > process: >=20 > https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/614412097359708160 >=20 > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/163 >=20 > As you can see, other than a few minor typo fixes and a comment by sip= a, > there was no other review offered. >=20 > - The implementation for BIP 101 was submitted to Bitcoin Core as a pu= ll > request, to invoke the code review process: >=20 > https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6341 >=20 > Some minor code layout suggestions were made by Cory and incorporated. > Peter popped up to say there was no chance it'd ever be accepted .....= and > no further review was done. No, I said there was no chance it'd be accepted "due to a number of BIP-level issues in addition to debate about the patch itself. For instance, Gavin has never given any details about testing; at minimum we'd need a BIP16 style quality assurance document. We also frown on writing software with building expiration dates, let alone expiration dates that trigger non-deterministically. (Note how my recently merged CLTV considered the year 2038 problem to avoid needing a hard fork at that date)" Of course no further review was done - issues were identified and they didn't get fixed. Why would we do further review on something that was broken whose author wasn't interested in fixing even non-controversial and obvious problems? 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