From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AA4114B0 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:21:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from smtp2.hushmail.com (smtp2.hushmail.com [65.39.178.134]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FFD81FE for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.hushmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C4806A0177 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:21:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=hush.com; h=date:to:subject:from; s=hush; bh=9IxZgTuMU2y/zhq+hdNTF1+Vwe7n9FR61JtFoulRVRY=; b=k3CDL/iKyXwkesWLsESbLu1XtV8gCparmeeNYjjNn3EIPz8rY2+snOzWsIuScxGEbUVKcydlP5jEmwy887JKeaqry4zUiI3xrUVX7vmaQicLByBm1Ls4Q3nZ6+onrABQ2u4VTKExfQ4V2RhFaxuNfr4EPnNx3hDIRsu9je4gyO3rz4bCNvaOaSW6Cgc9JEm3XvZxbdHaO9oXo3idnozPqXiWDuwOaxVvSyJ+0Fi66pTktTGq6AYxOwfWhhO/wSV62ENKtS4tAnf2t3EiDjcxeU5ACXDDQ5QWmBio990c/OYFt6XnU3TqlApTFSJO99rursg+XSe8AjHgfCEPTUlFiw== Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w7.hushmail.com [65.39.178.32]) by smtp2.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8B00D404BA; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:21:40 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 19:21:40 +0300 To: "Mark Friedenbach" , "Mike Hearn" From: "NxtChg" In-Reply-To: References: <55F9E47D.50507@mattcorallo.com> <55FC6EBF.9090504@mattcorallo.com> <20150919014710.GD22598@muck> <20150919060639.A775A404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD0737.1080008@voskuil.org> <20150919072714.D3349404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD1122.5030107@voskuil.org> <20150919075758.820CC404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD225B.1050402@voskuil.org> <55FDD951.9010709@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20150920162140.8B00D404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:21:41 -0000 >Does this conversation have to happen on-list? It seems to have wandered incredibly far off-topic. How is this off-topic? This a fundamental decision, from which all the other development decisions follow. And apparently it's far from settled, with one part pulling in the direction of HideCoin and the other in the direction of PopCoin. The block limit debate is a direct consequence of this fundamental disagreement. Until this is settled, Bitcoin has no clear direction and developers cannot make effective decisions: it's hard to get anywhere when you don't know where you're going. Even though this disagreement probably won't be resolved on this list, it's helpful to have this discussion for people to understand what the root problem is.