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From: "NxtChg" <nxtchg@hush.com>
To: "Eric Lombrozo" <elombrozo@gmail.com>,
	s7r@sky-ip.org, bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:48:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150921084821.24D1E404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ema20a20ae-62b0-483b-90d4-a2cded334b2f@platinum>


>Larger user base won't necessarily protect against governments if 
>we still have chokepoints they can go after.

This is the critical confusion about Bitcoin decentralization, which leads to this whole recent mess of shouting at each other.

Decentralization is _not_ a way to withstand an attack, if the government "goes after you".

Many people got this idea drilled into their heads in the previous years, that Bitcoin is a "movement" to fight governments, and decentralization is its main weapon.

They confuse Bitcoin and Anonymous.


>What we really need to grow is the number of nodes on the network 
>that participate in its basic infrastructure - namely: miners, validators, etc...

Absolutely. Nobody argues that we shouldn't care about decentralization.

But who's gonna pay for all this? What are the incentives?

We need Bitcoin to get much more popular for this to happen.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-21  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-16 21:32 [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report Jeff Garzik
2015-09-16 21:51 ` Matt Corallo
2015-09-18  5:55   ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-09-18 17:10     ` Dave Scotese
2015-09-18 17:28       ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-18 20:06     ` Matt Corallo
2015-09-18 22:33       ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-19 16:03         ` cipher anthem
2015-09-19 20:43           ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-19  1:47       ` Peter Todd
2015-09-19  6:06         ` NxtChg
2015-09-19  6:56           ` Eric Voskuil
2015-09-19  7:27             ` NxtChg
2015-09-19  7:39               ` Eric Voskuil
2015-09-19  7:57                 ` NxtChg
2015-09-19  8:52                   ` Eric Voskuil
2015-09-19 13:32                     ` NxtChg
2015-09-19 20:57                     ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-19 21:53                       ` phm
2015-09-20  1:26                         ` Dave Scotese
2015-09-20  2:18                           ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-09-20  9:18                         ` NxtChg
2015-09-20  9:25                         ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-20 15:43                           ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-09-20 16:21                             ` NxtChg
2015-09-20 16:34                               ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-09-20 20:23                                 ` Steven Pine
2015-09-20 20:54                                   ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-09-20 21:33                                     ` s7r
2015-09-20 21:45                                       ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-20 22:02                                         ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-09-20 22:21                                           ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-20 22:51                                             ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-09-20 23:11                                               ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-21  0:11                                                 ` Dave Scotese
2015-09-21  5:04                                                   ` Corey Haddad
2015-09-21 11:45                                                     ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-09-21  8:48                                         ` NxtChg [this message]
2015-09-20 21:10                                   ` NxtChg
2015-09-20 21:13                                     ` Steven Pine
2015-09-20 21:34                                       ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-09-20 21:24                                     ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-09-20 21:16                                   ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-21 10:30                             ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-18 22:15     ` [bitcoin-dev] Improving Blocksize Communication Through Markets Paul Sztorc
2015-09-20 11:41     ` Isidor Zeuner

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