From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4024BEE4 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:48:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail148099.authsmtp.net (outmail148099.authsmtp.net [62.13.148.99]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A72C16D for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c232.authsmtp.com (mail-c232.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.232]) by punt23.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id tBJImcfO000972; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:48:38 GMT Received: from muck (S0106e091f5827ad2.ok.shawcable.net [24.71.232.17]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id tBJImYmm026884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:48:37 GMT Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 10:48:33 -0800 From: Peter Todd To: Santino Napolitano Message-ID: <20151219184833.GC12893@muck> References: <20151219174309.GB30640@muck> <1709761450550226@web28g.yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1709761450550226@web28g.yandex.ru> X-Server-Quench: 1d5c682b-a681-11e5-829e-00151795d556 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdwsUHFAXAgsB AmMbWlxeVFV7WmQ7 aQ5PagRDYElMQQRt T01BRU1TWkEae2Vc b0NDUht0fw1CNn9w ZEVjEHEPWRd8fUQv Xx9SHWwbZGY1bX0X UkkNagNUcQZLeRZA PlV6Uj1vNG8XDSg5 AwQ0PjZ0MThBHWxu Tw4XIF0bXUsHViE9 WxYPBi5nBkoLWys0 NR9uNV8AHA4UNUk/ K1I9VBoRPxgKFgxZ GSMFACZCb0cMXTtj FgZTWUpWGjlaSiQU GRw6L1dFDDJfUTYw X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1037:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 24.71.232.17/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: "bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated witness softfork with moderate adoption has very small block size effect X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:48:40 -0000 --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 09:37:06PM +0300, Santino Napolitano wrote: > I disagree. I think all client-side adoption of SW reliably tells you is = that those implementers saw value in it greater than the cost of implementa= tion. It's possible what they valued was the malleability fix and didn't se= e the limited potential circumvention of MAX_BLOCK_SIZE material to their d= ecision. >=20 > They could just as easily attach an OP_RETURN output to all of their tran= sactions which pushes "big blocks please" which would more directly indicat= e their preference for larger blocks. You could also let hand-signed letter= s from the heads of businesses explicitly stating their desire speak for th= eir intentions vs. any of this nonsense. Or the media interviews, forum com= ments, tweets, etc... Note that English-language measures of Bitcoin usage/activity are very misleading, as a significant - probably super majority - of economnic activity happens outside the English language, Western world. Centralized forums such as twitter and reddit are easily censored and manipulated. Finally, we can't discount the significant amount of non-law-abiding Bitcoin economic activity that does happen, and I do not believe we should adopt consensus-building processes that shut those stakeholders out of the discussion. As an aside, I have a friend of mine who made a Bitcoin related product with non-culturally-specific appeal. I asked where she was shipping her product, and it turned out that a super majority went to non-English-speaking countries. 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