From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB055B7B for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:15:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from zinan.dashjr.org (zinan.dashjr.org [192.3.11.21]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F71155 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ishibashi.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:5:265:a45d:823b:2d27:961c]) (Authenticated sender: luke-jr) by zinan.dashjr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC01238A17B7; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:14:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Hashcash: 1:25:170127:andrew.johnson83@gmail.com::tECtw/mY1MNh5J36:dvbVv X-Hashcash: 1:25:170127:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org::3yi+YVDOWO3TJ=9M:IBuP From: Luke Dashjr To: Andrew Johnson Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:14:16 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/4.4.39-gentoo; KDE/4.14.24; x86_64; ; ) References: <201701270107.01092.luke@dashjr.org> In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E463 A93F 5F31 17EE DE6C 7316 BD02 9424 21F4 889F X-PGP-Key-ID: BD02942421F4889F X-PGP-Keyserver: hkp://pgp.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201701270414.18553.luke@dashjr.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Three hardfork-related BIPs X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:15:17 -0000 On Friday, January 27, 2017 3:04:50 AM Andrew Johnson wrote: > Comment on #1. You're dropping the blocksize limit to 300KB and only > reaching the limit that we have in place today 7 years later? The limit only drops all the way to 300k if it activates before 2017 April. Considering that this requires the consensus of a hardfork, followed by a release in software, and then actual activation by miners using BIP9, I think it's extremely unlikely to activate by then. But more importantly: such a drop would probably be good for the network in the long-term. As explained in the Rationale section, 300k is necessary to maintain our *current* IBD (first-time node sync) costs even with technological improvements (which appear to be slowing lately). > We're already at capacity today, surely you're not serious with this > proposal? We are only at capacity because the space is available below actual costs, and/or because efficient alternatives are not yet widely supported. A reduction of block size will likely squeeze out spam, and perhaps some unsustainable microtransaction use, but the volume which actually *benefits from* the blockchain's security should continue along fine. Furthermore, once Lightning is widely implemented as well-tested, at least microtransactions are likely to gain a huge improvement in efficiency, reducing legitimate usage of block sizes well below 300k naturally - that is frankly when I first expect this proposal to be seriously considered for activation (which is independent from the consensus to include support for it in nodes). > When you promised code for a hard forking block size increase in the HK > agreement I don't believe that a decrease first was made apparent. While > not technically in violation of the letter of the agreement, I think this > is a pretty obviously not in the spirit of it. I did not mention the HK "roundtable", because this is indeed not in the spirit of what we set out to do, and do not wish this to be interpreted as some kind of slap in the face of the honest participants of that discussion. This proposal is, however, the best I am currently able to honestly recommend that meets the hard criteria outlined at Hong Kong a year ago. (Continued work on the MMHF/SHF concept may eventually deliver a better solution, but it is not yet ready.) Luke