public inbox for bitcoindev@googlegroups.com
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org>
Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP: Block signal enforcement via tx fees
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 18:22:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170512222214.GA4462@fedora-23-dvm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201705121922.57445.luke@dashjr.org>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1378 bytes --]

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 07:22:56PM +0000, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> I've written a new BIP draft for OP_CHECKBLOCKVERSION to allow the community 
> to put economic pressure on miners to deploy softforks without the extreme of 
> a UASF.
> 
>     https://github.com/luke-jr/bips/blob/bip-cbv/bip-cbv.mediawiki

I strongly disagree with this proposal.

nVersion signaling is already technically unenforceable, in the sense that we
don't have good ways of ensuring miners actually adopt the rules they're
claiming to signal. Equally, it's users who ultimately adopt rules, not miners,
and attempting to pay miners to signal certain bits will further confuse this
point.

Quite likely the outcome of users trying to anonymously pay anonymous miners to
signal certain bits will be the complete breakdown of the honesty of the
nVersion signalling system, currently enforced only by "gentlemans agreement".

A more productive direction would be a direct coin-owner signalling process,
with users taking action based on what provable coin-ownership has signalled.


Also, as an aside, this "specification" again shows the inadequacy and
unreadability of English language specifications. I'd strongly suggest you
delete it and instead mark the "reference implementation" as the specification.

-- 
https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org

[-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 455 bytes --]

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-12 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-12 19:22 [bitcoin-dev] BIP: Block signal enforcement via tx fees Luke Dashjr
2017-05-12 22:17 ` ZmnSCPxj
2017-05-12 22:22 ` Peter Todd [this message]
2017-05-13  0:49   ` Luke Dashjr
2017-05-13  3:26     ` Eric Voskuil
2017-05-13  3:54       ` ZmnSCPxj
2017-05-13  5:36         ` Eric Voskuil
2017-05-13  5:45       ` Luke Dashjr
2017-05-13  6:43         ` Eric Voskuil
2017-05-13 12:48     ` Peter Todd
2017-05-13 16:42       ` Luke Dashjr
2017-05-13  4:23 ` Russell O'Connor
2017-05-13  5:26   ` Luke Dashjr
2017-05-13 17:11     ` Russell O'Connor
2017-05-15  1:14       ` Rusty Russell
2017-05-20  5:05       ` Anthony Towns
2017-05-14 12:18 ` ZmnSCPxj

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20170512222214.GA4462@fedora-23-dvm \
    --to=pete@petertodd.org \
    --cc=bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=luke@dashjr.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox