From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC0C4892 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 12:24:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail149043.authsmtp.co.uk (outmail149043.authsmtp.co.uk [62.13.149.43]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D722912A for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 12:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c232.authsmtp.com (mail-c232.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.232]) by punt21.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id v4GCO0R9083495; Tue, 16 May 2017 13:24:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from petertodd.org (ec2-52-5-185-120.compute-1.amazonaws.com [52.5.185.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id v4GCNwaV043301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 16 May 2017 13:23:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by petertodd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D403D400E5; Tue, 16 May 2017 12:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DCAFF2048A; Tue, 16 May 2017 08:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 08:23:53 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Alex Mizrahi Message-ID: <20170516122353.GA5808@fedora-23-dvm> References: <20170223011147.GB905@savin.petertodd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Server-Quench: 8a1b427d-3a32-11e7-829f-00151795d556 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdwQUFVQNAgsB AmEbWldeUl57XGo7 bghPaBtcak9QXgdq T0pMXVMcUgEfcmJG V3geVhpxdwQIfXl2 ZwhqD3EJWEZ9IVt+ E01WCGwHMGB9YGIW Bl1YdwJRcQRDe0tA b1YxNiYHcQ5VPz4z GA41ejw8IwAXFBRy CgoKKFcTXUMGGCIn DxwFVTMoAQUDSig/ ZxVuMVkSAAMfNV8x eUcmEVgVUVcPEQBQ AkUl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1037:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 52.5.185.120/25 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] TXO commitments do not need a soft-fork to be useful X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 12:24:03 -0000 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 03:15:17PM +0300, Alex Mizrahi via bitcoin-dev wrot= e: > > Something I've recently realised is that TXO commitments do not need to= be > > implemented as a consensus protocol change to be useful. >=20 >=20 > You're slow, Peter. I figured this out back in 2013: >=20 > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D153662.10 Lol, good job! And you even figured out that lovely "distributed file syste= m" explanation first. Though, it does look like I'm still the person who made it 100% *clear* the first time - you're explanation is easy to read the wrong way, particularly when you say: "Next time I will teach you how to implement a blockchain-based cryptocurre= ncy in such a way that new miners can start mining right away without downloadi= ng whole blockchain, stay tuned..." After all, at the time UTXO commitments had been already discussed. Also, talking about a DHT in relation to this stuff probably made the explanation= get missed by some people. Unfortunately, I think this is a good example of how important coming up wi= th good explanations and analogies is. :/ --=20 https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJZGu9WAAoJECSBQD2l8JH7J3wH/jgwJM0Wf2fpfLPhPMY8VpQt MxfkUNrUgTyYwbibY1mbZ8lJ955d20MjFx6LrRhmeldsIDlLlhawHzdO63smUinu H0bz2RMoCfPCLXAibrbiIig+tnF5JySKpPy6piXx30YhI+lMqrLAs13rSy4J6wgV kCCo7j2BjQBCLdgDx1dHSdON93J+bi5lvdh7v+JMEuXxLzN1tjhXcNh21ra3aWaY bdlh+OC9iPnMz1GZBWoews9vunFvkvYd4N2jQ7u2ttUcDZ+jlgxHpexu/VyXCI0O /t73EAuUBYuTZMzxT/cQf24RHNPdUQZ6AxrwrPHdUYDPMCFlWTuQTbcI6McYIfU= =UG19 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/--