From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8DD6A80 for ; Thu, 10 May 2018 02:28:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from zinan.dashjr.org (zinan.dashjr.org [192.3.11.21]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FF867F for ; Thu, 10 May 2018 02:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [2001:470:5:265:a45d:823b:2d27:961c] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:5:265:a45d:823b:2d27:961c]) (Authenticated sender: luke-jr) by zinan.dashjr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 058BA38B5CF4; Thu, 10 May 2018 02:27:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Hashcash: 1:25:180510:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org::RMblWeWdFgKU7W0R:deELB X-Hashcash: 1:25:180510:rusty@rustcorp.com.au::0lFIdDubtvDWZ5E0:7zYk From: Luke Dashjr To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Rusty Russell Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 02:27:41 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748) References: <87po25lmzs.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> In-Reply-To: <87po25lmzs.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E463 A93F 5F31 17EE DE6C 7316 BD02 9424 21F4 889F X-PGP-Key-ID: BD02942421F4889F X-PGP-Keyserver: hkp://pgp.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201805100227.42217.luke@dashjr.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Making OP_TRUE standard? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 02:28:29 -0000 An OP_TRUE-only script with a low value seems like a good example of where the weight doesn't reflect the true cost: it uses a UTXO forever, while only costing a weight of 4. I like Johnson's idea to have some template (perhaps OP_2-only, to preserve expected behaviour of OP_TRUE-only) that when combined with a 0-value is always valid only if spent in the same block. I wonder if it would make sense to actually tie it to a transaction version bit, such that when the bit is set, the transaction is serialised with +1 on the output count and 00000000000000000181 is simply injected into the transaction hashing... But for now, simply having a consensus rule that a bit MUST be set for the expected behaviour, and the bit may ONLY be set when the last output is exactly 00000000000000000181, would allow us to code the transaction serialisation up later. (Maybe it should be the first output instead of the last... Is there any legitimate reason one would have multiple such dummy outputs?) Luke On Tuesday 08 May 2018 23:57:11 Rusty Russell via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Hi all, > > The largest problem we are having today with the lightning > protocol is trying to predict future fees. Eltoo solves this elegantly, > but meanwhile we would like to include a 546 satoshi OP_TRUE output in > commitment transactions so that we use minimal fees and then use CPFP > (which can't be done at the moment due to CSV delays on outputs). > > Unfortunately, we'd have to P2SH it at the moment as a raw 'OP_TRUE' is > non-standard. Are there any reasons not to suggest such a policy > change? > > Thanks! > Rusty. > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev