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From: "David A. Harding" <dave@dtrt.org>
To: Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	lightning-dev <lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] RBF Pinning with Counterparties and Competing Interest
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:28:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200422202813.oadvvn4j3oe7geq6@ganymede> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALZpt+HHJ6rKJK8FBdJ1gznWDsfkUo26rOy=mNLbvMwicv9muQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 03:03:29PM -0400, Antoine Riard wrote:
> > In that case, would it be worth re-implementing something like a BIP61
> reject message but with an extension that returns the txids of any
> conflicts?
> 
> That's an interesting idea, but an attacker can create a local conflict in
> your mempool

You don't need a mempool to send a transaction.  You can just open
connections to random Bitcoin nodes directly and try sending your
transaction.  That's what a lite client is going to do anyway.  If the
pinned transaction is in the mempools of a significant number of Bitcoin
nodes, then it should take just a few random connections to find one of
those nodes, learn about the conflict, and download the pinned
transaction.

If that's not acceptable, you could find some other way to poll a
significant number of people with mempools, e.g. BIP35 mempool messages
or reusing the payment hash in a bunch of 1 msat probes to LN nodes who
opt-in to scanning their bitcoind's mempools for a corresponding
preimage.

-Dave

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-22 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-21  2:43 [bitcoin-dev] RBF Pinning with Counterparties and Competing Interest Matt Corallo
2020-04-22  4:12 ` [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] " ZmnSCPxj
2020-04-22  4:18   ` Olaoluwa Osuntokun
2020-04-22  6:08     ` ZmnSCPxj
2020-04-22  8:01       ` Antoine Riard
2020-04-22  8:55         ` Bastien TEINTURIER
2020-04-22 23:05       ` Olaoluwa Osuntokun
2020-04-22 23:11         ` Olaoluwa Osuntokun
2020-04-22 16:56   ` Matt Corallo
2020-04-22  4:13 ` [bitcoin-dev] " Olaoluwa Osuntokun
2020-04-22 11:51   ` David A. Harding
2020-04-27 21:26     ` Rusty Russell
2020-04-22 16:50   ` Matt Corallo
2020-04-22 23:13     ` Olaoluwa Osuntokun
2020-04-22 23:20       ` Matt Corallo
2020-04-22 23:27         ` Olaoluwa Osuntokun
2020-04-23  1:10           ` Matt Corallo
2020-04-23  4:50             ` [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] " ZmnSCPxj
2020-04-23  6:21               ` Matt Corallo
2020-04-23 12:46                 ` ZmnSCPxj
2020-04-23 22:47                   ` Matt Corallo
2020-06-19  7:44                     ` Bastien TEINTURIER
2020-06-19 19:58                       ` David A. Harding
2020-06-19 20:52                         ` David A. Harding
2020-06-20  8:54                           ` Bastien TEINTURIER
2020-06-20 10:36                             ` David A. Harding
2020-06-20 16:01                               ` ZmnSCPxj
2020-06-21  2:10                                 ` ZmnSCPxj
2020-06-22  7:35                               ` Bastien TEINTURIER
2020-06-22  8:15                                 ` ZmnSCPxj
2020-06-22  8:25                                   ` Bastien TEINTURIER
2020-06-24  8:32                                     ` Matt Corallo
2020-04-23  1:18           ` [bitcoin-dev] " Jeremy
2020-04-22 18:24 ` David A. Harding
2020-04-22 19:03   ` Antoine Riard
2020-04-22 20:28     ` David A. Harding [this message]
2020-04-22 22:53 Matt Corallo
2020-04-23  9:59 ` David A. Harding

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