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From: Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org>
To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: [bitcoin-dev] PSA: Taproot loss of quantum protections
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 21:48:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202103152148.15477.luke@dashjr.org> (raw)

I do not personally see this as a reason to NACK Taproot, but it has become 
clear to me over the past week or so that many others are unaware of this 
tradeoff, so I am sharing it here to ensure the wider community is aware of 
it and can make their own judgements.

Mark Friedenbach explains on his blog:
    https://freicoin.substack.com/p/why-im-against-taproot

In short, Taproot loses an important safety protection against quantum.
Note that in all circumstances, Bitcoin is endangered when QC becomes a 
reality, but pre-Taproot, it is possible for the network to "pause" while a 
full quantum-safe fix is developed, and then resume transacting. With Taproot 
as-is, it could very well become an unrecoverable situation if QC go online 
prior to having a full quantum-safe solution.

Also, what I didn't know myself until today, is that we do not actually gain 
anything from this: the features proposed to make use of the raw keys being 
public prior to spending can be implemented with hashed keys as well.
It would use significantly more CPU time and bandwidth (between private 
parties, not on-chain), but there should be no shortage of that for anyone 
running a full node (indeed, CPU time is freed up by Taproot!); at worst, it 
would create an incentive for more people to use their own full node, which 
is a good thing!

Despite this, I still don't think it's a reason to NACK Taproot: it should be 
fairly trivial to add a hash on top in an additional softfork and fix this.

In addition to the points made by Mark, I also want to add two more, in 
response to Pieter's "you can't claim much security if 37% of the supply is 
at risk" argument. This argument is based in part on the fact that many 
people reuse Bitcoin invoice addresses.

First, so long as we have hash-based addresses as a best practice, we can 
continue to shrink the percentage of bitcoins affected through social efforts 
discouraging address use. If the standard loses the hash, the situation 
cannot be improved, and will indeed only get worse.

Second, when/if quantum does compromise these coins, so long as they are 
neglected or abandoned/lost coins (inherent in the current model), it can be 
seen as equivalent to Bitcoin mining. At the end of the day, 37% of supply 
minable by QCs is really no different than 37% minable by ASICs. (We've seen 
far higher %s available for mining obviously.)

To conclude, I recommend anyone using Bitcoin to read Mark's article, my 
thoughts, and any other arguments on the topic; decide if this is a concern 
to you, and make your own post(s) accordingly. Mark has conceded the argument 
(AFAIK he doesn't have an interest in bitcoins anyway), and I do not consider 
it a showstopper - so if anyone else out there does, please make yourself 
known ASAP since Taproot has already moved on to the activation phase and it 
is likely software will be released within the next month or two as things 
stand.

Luke


             reply	other threads:[~2021-03-15 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-15 21:48 Luke Dashjr [this message]
2021-03-15 22:05 ` [bitcoin-dev] PSA: Taproot loss of quantum protections Matt Corallo
2021-03-15 22:30   ` Robert Spigler
2021-03-15 22:40   ` Jeremy
2021-03-15 22:48     ` Matt Corallo
2021-03-15 23:01       ` Karl-Johan Alm
2021-03-15 23:19         ` Matt Corallo
2021-03-15 23:46         ` Lloyd Fournier
2021-03-16  0:50         ` Anthony Towns
2021-03-16  2:38           ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-03-16  3:44   ` Luke Dashjr
2021-03-16 13:28     ` Andrew Poelstra
2021-03-16 17:25     ` Matt Corallo
2021-03-17  1:23       ` Ryan Grant
2021-03-17 11:56         ` Eoin McQuinn
2021-03-15 23:12 ` Andrew Poelstra
2021-03-16 14:10   ` Andrea
2021-03-16 15:15     ` [bitcoin-dev] Provisions (was: PSA: Taproot loss of quantum protections) Andrew Poelstra
2021-03-17  4:24       ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-03-17  8:29         ` Andrea
2021-03-20 16:31           ` Andrea Barontini
2021-03-16  0:24 ` [bitcoin-dev] PSA: Taproot loss of quantum protections David A. Harding
2021-04-05  0:27   ` Lloyd Fournier
2021-04-16  3:47     ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-04-16  5:00       ` Lloyd Fournier
2021-03-22 14:24 ` Erik Aronesty
2021-03-23  9:36   ` Martin Schwarz
2021-03-23 10:50   ` Tim Ruffing
2021-08-12 22:08   ` Erik Aronesty

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