From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6C1C000D for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC24361B99 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:01:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.61 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_XBL=0.375, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=dtrt.org Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H-bgfeNNLZjp for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:01:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from newmail.dtrt.org (newmail.dtrt.org [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe7b:78d1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE9C261B92 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:01:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dtrt.org; s=20201208; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=uC2g5nxDA84h1bS6uX4xRoxMRiDu4RMx/wLWnh9Xxc8=; b=0yMOK1oQSi6Y7l93xeIGqO5lJC RNzMRMfYOFUEp3jruHVYNftMLfYe1dZJfiuCLaYwgfkv/yD0WI/B9oCmM7yQzHTVM7ooxuTBeszjt 1kc7PelFFPWTB/WDsnGA08lzRPgAvzPN1GJUdCLx4h31QBrgNcdz1khuJznTt7+egPT4=; Received: from harding by newmail.dtrt.org with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mOmiJ-0000UI-Cj; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:01:31 -1000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:00:05 -1000 From: "David A. Harding" To: Matt Corallo , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: <20210910200005.misxood4z7qzqxdl@ganymede> References: <50970c07-b447-0b49-3f2b-b8a4961761f1@mattcorallo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hlqwu4mybssxthze" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50970c07-b447-0b49-3f2b-b8a4961761f1@mattcorallo.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Reorgs on SigNet - Looking for feedback on approach and parameters X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:01:34 -0000 --hlqwu4mybssxthze Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:24:15AM -0700, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev wrote: > I'm [...] suggesting [...] that the existing block producers each > generate a new key, and we then only sign reorgs with *those* keys. > Users will be able to set a flag to indicate "I want to accept sigs > from either sets of keys, and see reorgs" or "I only want sigs from > the non-reorg keys, and will consider the reorg keys-signed blocks > invalid" This seems pretty useful to me. I think we might want multiple sets of keys: 0. No reorgs 1. Periodic reorgs of small to moderate depth for ongoing testing without excessive disruption (e.g. the every 8 hours proposal). I think this probably ought to be the default-default `-signet` in Bitcoin Core and other nodes. 2. Either frequent reorgs (e.g. every block) or a webapp that generates reorgs on demand to further reduce testing delays. If we can only have two, I'd suggest dropping 0. I think it's already the case that too few people test their software with reorgs. -Dave --hlqwu4mybssxthze Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEgxUkqkMp0LnoXjCr2dtBqWwiadMFAmE7uUUACgkQ2dtBqWwi adOXmhAAk1GlkLdd1pcvdzIO+JSBGJbSthbFXjsicz613smImFbF1tj+lLhAVQAi JKN8hQFtDd6QpZyVa2dn3+W9YE+TeKNuFTclT/SwOMBP+mEqY8k/Sl68fd00y6v7 sIj7KKkfVtpj+zDXC32VLjZWuH/6MIuwdLtV1WiU9VLu6ypiIShHzMGrH9kmmKeh mlZYeDs5VRytATGXzqUxUkM+0wn7x+Zk8S286ogeVzqe1OyKdnuyMH2eSzFPQiu2 1uoUntPaiRU9zt51GzwP2xcDJqR2u6k8Suv7G0bWVw5+fmeyKdUD6PksE7f7qZ5O VM+LCWXtWk84f6kjRR/hE9/uV5h1vnRt30W4z5jUnAiNNKGAY0BUb8lTC0M0IXaK ZSqMMEyC3994TWFs3e4dfbRyoiqwIkO9tPxe/oTvPCkt73mFyc+UdgRKJklK5WW2 29oa0vemu5QE7+mwNJZ/0/YmCHEwmxrE9kBPfFSortj5fIpEWFxZu3aE0TPeXvUl Aswps7ZC6kwSymKoMd05vvfKwH1gxNeAFBDDiDEup90YcB/DtlNWQCaOUVQYHh1X CYbK/QoE79dDviJ2E/XqdLKCjixZv55x8jGGyEezdovRl6qt/AVAlaL0xZ2FiRmK guSWYZbkw5IyB5mrigDEOAa+vbnPYqjZVoAA/VMz1+/QrM36Qxg= =0XVj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hlqwu4mybssxthze--