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From: Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org>
To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	"Russell O'Connor" <roconnor@blockstream.com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Speedy Trial
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 00:28:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202203110028.09249.luke@dashjr.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMZUoKkTDjDSgnqhYio8Lnh-yTdsNAdXbDC9RQwnN00RdbbL6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Friday 11 March 2022 00:12:19 Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> The "no-miner-veto" concerns are, to an extent, addressed by the short
> timeline of Speedy Trial.  No more waiting 2 years on the miners dragging
> their feet.

It's still a miner veto. The only way this works is if the full deployment 
(with UASF fallback) is released in parallel.

> If you are so concerned about listening to legitimate criticism, maybe you
> can design a new deployment mechanism that addresses the concerns of the
> "devs-do-not-decide" faction and the "no-divegent-consensus-rules"
> faction.

BIP8 already does that.

> A major contender to the Speedy Trial design at the time was to mandate
> eventual forced signalling, championed by luke-jr.  It turns out that, at
> the time of that proposal, a large amount of hash power simply did not have
> the firmware required to support signalling.  That activation proposal
> never got broad consensus,

BIP 8 did in fact have broad consensus before some devs decided to ignore the 
community and do their own thing. Why are you trying to rewrite history?

> and rightly so, because in retrospect we see 
> that the design might have risked knocking a significant fraction of mining
> power offline if it had been deployed.  Imagine if the firmware couldn't be
> quickly updated or imagine if the problem had been hardware related.

They had 18 months to fix their broken firmware. That's plenty of time.

Luke


  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-11  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-11  0:12 [bitcoin-dev] Speedy Trial Russell O'Connor
2022-03-11  0:28 ` Luke Dashjr [this message]
2022-03-11  5:41   ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-11 12:19 ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-11 13:47   ` Russell O'Connor
2022-03-11 14:04     ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-12 13:34       ` Russell O'Connor
2022-03-12 17:52         ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-17 12:18           ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-23 22:34           ` Kate Salazar
2022-03-15 17:21         ` Jeremy Rubin
2022-03-17  4:17           ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-18 18:36           ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-17 12:08         ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-17 15:38           ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-18 23:01             ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-03-21  3:41               ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-21 15:56                 ` vjudeu
2022-03-22 15:19                   ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-22 15:45                     ` Eric Voskuil
2022-03-22 16:37                     ` vjudeu
2022-03-19 16:43             ` vjudeu
2022-03-15 15:45       ` Anthony Towns
2022-03-17 14:04         ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-22 23:49           ` Anthony Towns
2022-03-24 18:30             ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-26  1:45               ` Anthony Towns
2022-03-28  8:31                 ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-30  4:21                   ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-08  9:58                     ` Jorge Timón
2022-04-11 13:05                       ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-24 11:13                         ` Jorge Timón
2022-04-24 12:14                           ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-24 12:44                             ` Jorge Timón
2022-04-25 16:11                               ` Keagan McClelland
2022-04-25 17:00                                 ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-25 17:26                                   ` Keagan McClelland
2022-04-26  5:42                                     ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-26 13:05                                       ` Erik Aronesty
2022-04-27  2:35                                         ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-11 16:26     ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-17 11:32       ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-11 11:14 pushd
2022-03-12 17:11 pushd
2022-03-17 14:34 pushd
2022-03-26 12:59 pushd
2022-03-30 10:34 pushd
2022-03-30 20:10 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-30 21:14   ` pushd
2022-03-31  4:31     ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-31 14:19       ` pushd
2022-03-31 15:34         ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-31 15:55           ` pushd

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