From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F4F5FFB for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:38:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mx-out02.mykolab.com (mx01.mykolab.com [95.128.36.1]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E638B8E for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:38:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kolabnow.com X-Spam-Score: -2.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from mx03.mykolab.com (mx03.mykolab.com [10.20.7.101]) by mx-out02.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B1356223A for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 22:38:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Tom Zander To: Bitcoin Dev Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 21:35:05 +0100 Message-ID: <2081461.sDX5ARzIdv@garp> In-Reply-To: References: <1489086.kGfJeeyi4a@garp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork technical debate X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:38:06 -0000 On Monday 5. October 2015 19.41.30 Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev > > wrote: > > It is an eloquent change, but not really the topic we were discussing. It > > also makes you attack Mike (calling him out as having a strawman) without > > basis. For the second time in this thread. > > I would suggest arguing on the topic, not on the man. > > Such a shame you appear to reserve that wisdom for those you disagree > with, biting your tongue when others emit all forms of ad hominem-- You are special only in your eloquent use of the language. Consider yourself lucky :) > In this case, I think, however your correction is also misplaced at > least on this message; though I would otherwise welcome it. I would not expect anything less. > I'm not complaining about the man; > but pointing out the behavior of stating an > opinion no one has held as theirs and attacking it is not a productive > way to hold a discussion. It's an argument or a behavior, not a > person, and beyond calling it bad I attempted to explaining (perhaps > poorly) why its bad. Thanks for explaining your thinking. Fortunately I can say that while we certainly value your opinion, when peoples opinions are hard to read, as you indicated they can be, we should look at their actions. The group has followed the consensus rule quite rigorously, which I applaud. But next to that people like Black and Laan have given strong verbal indications confirming the practice you personally keep explaining is not real. When I was a little boy of maybe 12 years, I remember reading a short story, that stuck with me. It was about a man that had vowed to never lie. He was invited to a dinner party and asked to assist with another man's accusation of a crime he claimed to not have committed. The end result was that the accused man was indeed guilty, but he minced his words so well that every sentence uttered was true. To the layman he seemed truthful and pleasant. Certainly innocent. But to the man that never lied, his stories quickly fell apart as he himself had had years of practice with the same. And the guilty man was jailed. I really enjoy reading your emails and github posts too, they have an eloquence and a brashness. > If there is continued > misunderstanding, I do not doubt its my fault; but it's probably not a > good use of hundreds/thousands of people's time for you to help me > interactively improve my explanation on list. Quite.