From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4D9A8FE for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:43:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from manxnetsf05.manx.net (outbound.manx.net [213.137.31.12]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B447E8 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 195.10.99.101 (EHLO coldstorage.localnet) ([195.10.99.101]) by manxnetsf05.manx.net (MOS 4.4.5a-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id EFU56742; Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:43:33 +0100 (BST) From: Thomas Zander To: Bitcoin Dev Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 23:43:32 +0200 Message-ID: <2496856.hSTJ7hHSsK@coldstorage> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.1 (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64; KDE/4.14.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 195.10.99.101 coldstorage.localnet thomas@thomaszander.se 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=manxnetsf05.manx.net X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.55C52685.0119, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.55C52685.0119, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: f02ffc3b2fb7ead4ffeb73bd283e3060 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fwd: Block size following technological growth X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 21:43:36 -0000 On Friday 7. August 2015 20.10.48 Pieter Wuille wrote: > On Aug 7, 2015 7:50 PM, "Gavin Andresen" wrote: > > I believe people in the Bitcoin ecosystem will choose different > > tradeoffs, and I believe that is OK-- people should be free to make those > > tradeoffs. > > I agree. Though I believe that the blockchain itself cannot offer many > tradeoffs, and by trying to make it scale we hurt the whole system. The > place to introduce tradeoffs is in layers on top - there you can build > systems with various levels of trust without hurting others. Pieter, you either misunderstood or misquoted Gavin here. The tradeoffs Gavin talks about are about trusting your own node or using a centralized system (as the two extremes in a spectrum). Your answer talks about something completely different. Not sure how your answer fits in this conversation, although, you do seem to use these misunderstandings often to push your own position in a way that to the naive reader it sounds like others agree with you. Please try to be more concise and on-topic. -- Thomas Zander