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=EF=BB=BF=EF=BB=BFHi,<= div dir=3D"ltr">
Assuming this was a serious proposal,= I believe you will get few takers for this taxcoin, but if you implement i= t, perhaps I am wrong.  

As I recall, there h= ave been other similar proposals for seizing inactive coins and this is jus= t a slower proposal where instead of seizing them all at once you want to s= eize them slowly.  This would probably destroy such things as proof of= burn, puzzles, etc.  It could also change assumptions and incentives = - once an address is close to the =E2=80=9Ctax period=E2=80=9D miners might= refuse to mine a transaction with it to collect the tax. Also, from a tech= nical perspective, how is the =E2=80=9Cfee automatically deducted from an a= ddress=E2=80=9D?  And I=E2=80=99d also add this could result in a huge= number of transactions, enough to potentially fill all available space and= result in the inability to have other transactions or even get every =E2= =80=9Caddress=E2=80=9D active every X days.  There are other issues to= o. 

Of course, the way to test is to fork you= r software and see how many people will run it.  :-)


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On Aug 1, 2024, at 5:13= =E2=80=AFPM, Richard Greaser <thebitcoinbugle@gmail.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHi= everyone, 

It has become apparent to me that there= is an issue where users of the network holding their coins, are not adding= value to the network.

As miners continue to get squeeze= d post halving, they would benefit tremendously from fees being taken from = individuals refusing to move their coins, providing increased security to t= he network. 

I have written out a proposal more in depth and is= attached below. 

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