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From: Thomas Zander <thomas@thomaszander.se>
To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 00:12:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2586092.4ZtH253X8E@coldstorage> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABm2gDpwMQzju+Gsoe3qMi60MPr7OAiSuigy3RdA1xh-SwFzbw@mail.gmail.com>

On Friday 7. August 2015 19.33.34 Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> When "the network runs out of capacity" (when we hit the limit) do we
> expect anything to happen apart from minimum market fees rising (above
> zero)?

How many clients actually evict transactions from their mempool currently? If 
the backlog grows infinitely (as a result of more in than out), that would be 
a problem.
How many wallets re-transmit their transaction when your local full nodes 
mempool no longer has it? Problem.

What will the backlash be when people here that are pushing for "off-chain-
transactions" fail to produce a properly working alternative, which 
essentially means we have to say NO to more users. We can't service you, 
sorry. Please go away.

At this time and this size of bitcoin community, my personal experience (and 
I've been part of many communities) saying NO to new customers will kill the 
product totally. Or, if we are lucky, just make an altcoin that quickly 
becomes the de-facto standard.
-- 
Thomas Zander


  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-07 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-07 14:57 [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process Gavin Andresen
2015-08-07 15:16 ` Pieter Wuille
2015-08-07 15:55   ` Gavin Andresen
2015-08-07 16:28     ` Pieter Wuille
2015-08-07 17:47       ` Ryan Butler
2015-08-07 18:25         ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-08-07 18:57           ` Ryan Butler
2015-08-07 19:07             ` Ryan Butler
2015-08-07 19:15               ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-08-07 20:17                 ` Ryan Butler
2015-08-07 20:33                   ` Dave Hudson
2015-08-07 18:17       ` jl2012
2015-08-07 18:35         ` Bryan Bishop
2015-08-07 18:36         ` Simon Liu
2015-08-11 23:20       ` Elliot Olds
2015-08-07 17:33     ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-07 22:12       ` Thomas Zander [this message]
2015-08-07 23:06         ` Adam Back
2015-08-08 22:45           ` Dave Scotese
2015-08-08 23:05             ` Alex Morcos
2015-08-09  5:52               ` Hector Chu
2015-08-09 10:32               ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-09 10:42             ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-09 20:43               ` Dave Scotese
2015-08-11 17:03                 ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-10 11:55       ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-10 12:33         ` Btc Drak
2015-08-10 13:03           ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-10 22:13         ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-11 17:47           ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-11 18:46             ` Michael Naber
2015-08-11 18:48               ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-08-11 18:55                 ` Michael Naber
2015-08-11 19:45                   ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-11 21:31                     ` Michael Naber
2015-08-11 18:51               ` Bryan Bishop
2015-08-11 18:59                 ` Michael Naber
2015-08-11 19:27               ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-11 19:37                 ` Michael Naber
2015-08-11 19:51                   ` Pieter Wuille
2015-08-11 21:18                     ` Michael Naber
2015-08-11 21:23                       ` Adam Back
2015-08-11 21:30                         ` Angel Leon
2015-08-11 21:32                           ` Pieter Wuille
2015-08-11 21:34                           ` Adam Back
2015-08-11 21:39                             ` Michael Naber
2015-08-12  6:10                               ` Venzen Khaosan
2015-08-11 22:06                             ` Angel Leon
2015-08-11 21:35                         ` Michael Naber
2015-08-11 21:51                           ` Pieter Wuille
2015-08-12  3:35                             ` Elliot Olds
2015-08-12  4:47                               ` Venzen Khaosan
2015-08-14 21:47                                 ` Elliot Olds
2015-08-12  0:56                         ` Tom Harding
2015-08-12  1:18                       ` Eric Voskuil
2015-08-12  8:10                     ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-12  9:00                       ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-12  9:25                         ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-11 19:53                   ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-11 20:56                     ` Michael Naber
2015-08-12  7:54                 ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-12  8:01             ` Thomas Zander
     [not found]             ` <1679272.aDpruqxXDP@coldstorage>
2015-08-12  8:51               ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-12  9:23                 ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-12  9:45                   ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-12 16:24                     ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-17 14:49                     ` BitMinter operator
2015-08-17 15:01                       ` Peter Todd
2015-08-10 14:12       ` Gavin Andresen
2015-08-10 14:24         ` Alex Morcos
2015-08-10 22:12           ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-10 14:34         ` Pieter Wuille
2015-08-10 22:04           ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-20 14:40           ` Will Madden
2015-08-10 14:55         ` Jorge Timón
2015-08-10 22:09           ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-10 22:52             ` Pieter Wuille
2015-08-10 23:11               ` Pieter Wuille
2015-08-11  5:34               ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-11  6:03                 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-08-11  6:31                   ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-11  7:08                     ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-08-11  8:38                       ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-11  9:14                         ` Angel Leon
2015-08-11 19:00                           ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-08-11 19:26                             ` Michael Naber
2015-08-11 20:12                               ` Adam Back
2015-08-12  0:32                           ` odinn
2015-08-11 11:10                       ` Thomas Zander
2015-08-12  0:18                       ` odinn
2015-08-07 21:30   ` Jim Phillips
2015-08-07 18:22 ` Anthony Towns
2015-08-07 18:36 ` Peter R
2015-08-12  1:56 Corey Haddad

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