From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 082C294E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 22:12:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from manxnetsf05.manx.net (outbound.manx.net [213.137.31.12]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10E28E8 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 22:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 195.10.99.101 (EHLO coldstorage.localnet) ([195.10.99.101]) by manxnetsf05.manx.net (MOS 4.4.5a-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id EFU60488; Fri, 07 Aug 2015 23:12:13 +0100 (BST) From: Thomas Zander To: Bitcoin Dev Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 00:12:12 +0200 Message-ID: <2586092.4ZtH253X8E@coldstorage> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.1 (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64; KDE/4.14.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 195.10.99.101 coldstorage.localnet thomas@thomaszander.se 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=manxnetsf05.manx.net X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0204.55C52D3D.0128, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A0B0204.55C52D3D.0128, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 1d0b4c36cb3b39a7afaf456daeb455b9 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:12:17 -0000 On Friday 7. August 2015 19.33.34 Jorge Tim=F3n via bitcoin-dev wrote: > When "the network runs out of capacity" (when we hit the limit) do we= > expect anything to happen apart from minimum market fees rising (abov= e > zero)? How many clients actually evict transactions from their mempool current= ly? If=20 the backlog grows infinitely (as a result of more in than out), that wo= uld be=20 a problem. How many wallets re-transmit their transaction when your local full nod= es=20 mempool no longer has it? Problem. What will the backlash be when people here that are pushing for "off-ch= ain- transactions" fail to produce a properly working alternative, which=20 essentially means we have to say NO to more users. We can't service you= ,=20 sorry. Please go away. At this time and this size of bitcoin community, my personal experience= (and=20 I've been part of many communities) saying NO to new customers will kil= l the=20 product totally. Or, if we are lucky, just make an altcoin that quickly= =20 becomes the de-facto standard. --=20 Thomas Zander