From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C485C475 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:13:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from pmx.vmail.no (pmx.vmail.no [193.75.16.11]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C3214A for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pmx.vmail.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pmx.isp.as2116.net) with SMTP id 17C3F445E4 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.bluecom.no (smtp.bluecom.no [193.75.75.28]) by pmx.vmail.no (pmx.isp.as2116.net) with ESMTP id AFE71445BD for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from coldstorage.localnet (unknown [81.191.185.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.bluecom.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CD74C2 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:13:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Zander To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:13:04 +0200 Message-ID: <2621275.dzKadq7CQh@coldstorage> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.1 (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64; KDE/4.14.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <59FC8BA8-C61F-4340-887F-CE2DD57ADD49@gmail.com> References: <1B7F00D3-41AE-44BF-818D-EC4EF279DC11@gmail.com> <59FC8BA8-C61F-4340-887F-CE2DD57ADD49@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Why Satoshi's temporary anti-spam measure isn't temporary X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:13:08 -0000 On Wednesday 29. July 2015 05.03.45 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev wrote= : > Point is=E2=80=A6processing blocks requires computational resources t= hat someone > needs to put up. Unless the people who are putting up these resources= are > properly incentivized to continue doing it, the network will fail. This assumption is proven wrong by history. Take a look at the RC5 challance, and its related cousins like the fold= ing-at- home or seti-at-home. Next to that, there is incentive for running a node. It is that you don= 't have=20 to trust someone else. This incentive has in business always been a ver= y=20 strong motivator. See how many companies run Outlook on their own intra= net=20 instead of using Outlook.com or similarly in the cloud.=20 In my own opinion, its waaay to early to call failure on running nodes.= Maybe=20 you want to actually help merchants/chains/individuals run them by maki= ng=20 bitcoin-core more useful for them. What is the reason people don't run it? Well, reddit says its because o= f the=20 upstream bandwidth not being able to be throttled. What about you try w= orking=20 on that instead of giving up on it? --=20 Thomas Zander