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[69.114.110.251]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k138sm292506qke.41.2017.07.17.15.04.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:04:48 -0700 (PDT) To: "David A. Harding" , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion References: <0119661e-a11a-6d4b-c9ec-fd510bd4f144@gmail.com> <01194110-04f0-82f5-cd5e-0101822fa2b1@gmail.com> <20170717214704.ksegcrdqf3zeslah@fedora-23-dvm> From: Paul Sztorc Message-ID: <292fa654-30e8-b55f-fbb6-7d47c3f08789@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:04:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170717214704.ksegcrdqf3zeslah@fedora-23-dvm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:34:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Updating the Scaling Roadmap [Update] X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:04:51 -0000 On 7/17/2017 5:47 PM, David A. Harding wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 01:13:30PM -0400, Paul Sztorc via bitcoin-dev w= rote: >> However, without interest from the maintainers of bitcoincore.org >> (specifically these [3, 4] pages and similar) the document will probab= ly >> be unable to gain traction. >> [...] >> [3] https://bitcoincore.org/en/2015/12/21/capacity-increase/ >> [4] https://bitcoincore.org/en/2015/12/23/capacity-increases-faq/ > The BitcoinCore.org maintainers are not psychic. If you want your > document to appear on the website, please open a PR. If you would like= > help formatting your document for the website, please feel free to send= > me an email off list or open an issue[1] regarding the inadequacy of > the site's readme. I meant only to convey that the document would appear on bitcoincore.org iff the PR were ultimately accepted. In other words, while it is up to "the community of Core Contributors" in a philosophical sense, it is up to the maintainers of BitcoinCore.org in a practical sense, because they are the ones who ultimately decide if the standard has been met. I think it is perfectly reasonable to keep site-updates narrowly organized in the GitHub PR sphere (and to ignore everything else). > [1] https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/issues/new > > Speaking as the instigator of [3] and the primary author of [4] (both > originally published on Bitcoin.org), I'll point out that Maxwell's > reply to you was a slightly rewritten version of a reply to me sent on = 4 > November 2016 (as noted elsewhere in the thread and confirmed in my > mailbox). I include below my signature a complete copy of my reply to > him (and CC'd to others). > > If I had followed through on my earlier plan to post a copy of Maxwell'= s > reply on BitcoinCore.org (assuming Bitcoin Core contributors supported > publishing it), you probably would've known that some Bitcoin Core > contributors were resistant to roadmaps prior to you writing your > proposed roadmap. For that failure, and the time you may have wasted > because of it, I offer you my apologies. I appreciate you saying that. Thank you. -Paul > I will make opening a PR to BitcoinCore.org with his statement a priori= ty=20 > so that hopefully future confusion can be avoided. > > Sincerely, > > -Dave > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 07:17:11PM +0000, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> [...] > I just wanted to say that I thought this was an amazing reply. I was > hoping that if I waited long enough to respond I might find something > meaningful to add, but nothing has come to mind and I didn't want to > leave the impression that your reply didn't merit a response. > > Maybe we can find a place on the website to post something like this so= > that we can link to it when other people ask for roadmaps and other > commitments to future plans. > > Thanks!, > > -Dave